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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 1689Dave, May 19, 2019.

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  1. Revmitchell

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    That is not what you said. You said faith is a fruit of the Spirit. I assume you have some scripture to support that. Now you have moved the goal post. I showed you faith is a result of the gospel Romans 10:17. Romans 1:16 says the power to salvation comes from the gospel.
     
    #141 Revmitchell, May 22, 2019
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    God "zaps" you with faith. BAM!!
     
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    Both views are compatible. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Jesus' words are Spirit and life.
     
    #143 1689Dave, May 22, 2019
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    But that will not happen until you place your trust in Jesus. You don't get saved and then believe. You have a warped and unbiblical take on the Gospel.
     
    #144 GoodTidings, May 22, 2019
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    I could not doubt if I tried.
     
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    The experience causes you to believe.
     
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    Yes. You have to trust in Christ BEFORE you get saved. Your view is unchristian in that it places salvation ahead of faith in Christ for salvation.
     
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    Wrong and the Bible doesn't support such nonsense. You clearly don't' read the Bible.
     
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    No, both views are not compatible. Your view is incompatible with true Christianity and the Bible.
     
    #149 GoodTidings, May 22, 2019
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    Opinions are nothing more than opinions.
     
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    The Spirit bears witness with our spirit.
     
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    If you experience him, you will certainly believe and overcome sin.
     
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    You can only trust in what is real to you.
     
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    Quick summary of the thread so far:

    My suggestion to everyone involved here is to refrain from posting anything until 1689Dave provides a verse or verses that shows we are saved before we believe. Many verses have been posted showing that salvation is a result of belief, but 1689Dave has not posted any verses showing his assertion that belief happens after salvation. Until he does I suggest everyone boycott this thread.
     
    #154 InTheLight, May 22, 2019
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    Faithfulness is a fruit of the Spirit.
     
    #155 Revmitchell, May 22, 2019
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    If faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, how can it exist before the Holy Spirit produces it? Do you think the flesh can save people by "correct" thinking?
     
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    Its not it is a fruit of the gospel
     
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    It's simple and has been explained to you by Revmitchell, GoodTidings, and me. The fruit of the Spirit described in Galatians 5 is not saving faith. Also, a proper translation is "faithfulness".

    Now, how about some verses that actually state that salvation comes before belief and not merely some repetitious assertion with no basis in the Bible?
     
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    Yeah. Then one might believe what one had not previously not believed after one changed one's mind..
     
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    cause = belief; effect = whatever act of the will you come up with.
     
    #160 1689Dave, May 22, 2019
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