That is not what you said. You said faith is a fruit of the Spirit. I assume you have some scripture to support that. Now you have moved the goal post. I showed you faith is a result of the gospel Romans 10:17. Romans 1:16 says the power to salvation comes from the gospel.
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That is not what you said. You said faith is a fruit of the Spirit. I assume you have some scripture to support that. Now you have moved the goal post. I showed you faith is a result of the gospel Romans 10:17. Romans 1:16 says the power to salvation comes from the gospel.
God "zaps" you with faith. BAM!!
1689Dave
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Both views are compatible. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Jesus' words are Spirit and life.
GoodTidings
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But that will not happen until you place your trust in Jesus. You don't get saved and then believe. You have a warped and unbiblical take on the Gospel.
1689Dave
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I could not doubt if I tried.
1689Dave
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The experience causes you to believe.
GoodTidings
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Yes. You have to trust in Christ BEFORE you get saved. Your view is unchristian in that it places salvation ahead of faith in Christ for salvation.
GoodTidings
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Wrong and the Bible doesn't support such nonsense. You clearly don't' read the Bible.
GoodTidings
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No, both views are not compatible. Your view is incompatible with true Christianity and the Bible.
1689Dave
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Opinions are nothing more than opinions.
1689Dave
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The Spirit bears witness with our spirit.
1689Dave
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If you experience him, you will certainly believe and overcome sin.
1689Dave
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You can only trust in what is real to you.
Quick summary of the thread so far:
My suggestion to everyone involved here is to refrain from posting anything until 1689Dave provides a verse or verses that shows we are saved before we believe. Many verses have been posted showing that salvation is a result of belief, but 1689Dave has not posted any verses showing his assertion that belief happens after salvation. Until he does I suggest everyone boycott this thread.
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My suggestion to everyone involved here is to refrain from posting anything until 1689Dave provides a verse or verses that shows we are saved before we believe. Many verses have been posted showing that salvation is a result of belief, but 1689Dave has not posted any verses showing his assertion that belief happens after salvation. Until he does I suggest everyone boycott this thread.
Faithfulness is a fruit of the Spirit.
1689Dave
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If faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, how can it exist before the Holy Spirit produces it? Do you think the flesh can save people by "correct" thinking?
Its not it is a fruit of the gospel
It's simple and has been explained to you by Revmitchell, GoodTidings, and me. The fruit of the Spirit described in Galatians 5 is not saving faith. Also, a proper translation is "faithfulness".
Now, how about some verses that actually state that salvation comes before belief and not merely some repetitious assertion with no basis in the Bible?
37818
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Yeah. Then one might believe what one had not previously not believed after one changed one's mind..
1689Dave
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cause = belief; effect = whatever act of the will you come up with.
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