Are all of God's Ten Commandments still valid?

[BobRyan]

Of course today's news is not all bad -- as it turns out.

For example --

You should be interested in your own testimony. I am.
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
--The scriptures are interested in your testimony.


By the scriptures your testimony is judged.

Is this an admission that you were never lost? If you were never lost then you were never saved. Only the lost can be saved. Think about it.
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Every SDA I know would agree with DHK on his points listed above.

Of course SDAs are not Calvinist so we would also not be posting in favor of Calvinism.

 

[plain_n_simple]

Are all of God's Ten Commandments still valid?

For the believer, they are the ministry of death and condemnation.

 

[BobRyan]

Are all of God's Ten Commandments still valid?

For the believer, they are the ministry of death and condemnation.

For the Believer they are written on the heart - as part of the New Covnenant.

For the Believer "do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31

For the believer with God's Law written on the heart under the New Covenant: "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" Acts 17:11

For the believer sola scriptura testing of all doctrine matters as we see in Acts 17:11

Out of curiosity - do you consider these guys "believers"???

http://www.fbinstitute.com


If so ....

Do you consider D.L Moody to be a "Believer"???

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

If so you may want to read his sermon.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

And if you do read his sermon - you will find this ---

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

.
The Fourth Commandment

​

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; [/FONT] __________________


Now let's compare that to the statement in the OP

 

[DHK]

For the Believer they are written on the heart - as part of the New Covnenant.

The Scripture doesn't teach that. The law condemns. It is the Spirit of God that dwells in the believer's heart. He is now the one that convicts of sin, not the law.

For the Believer "do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31

And how is the law established. The law is only established in that it shows us the exceeding sinfulness of sin. It stands in opposition to faith. Read on into chapter four. Remember there were no chapter divisions in the originals. Abraham was justified by faith and not the works of the law. That is the contrast Paul was making.

For the believer with God's Law written on the heart under the New Covenant: "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" Acts 17:11

For the believer sola scriptura testing of all doctrine matters as we see in Acts 17:11

Where do you get that from?
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
--They searched the Scriptures--the prophets, the psalms, books of history, etc. It says nothing of the law. It says nothing of keeping the commandments of God. You are reading into this that which is not there, and you are being dishonest with the scriptures.
You err not knowing the scriptures neither the power of God.

 

[RLBosley]

To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win Jews; to those under the law, like one under the law -- though I myself am not under the law -- to win those under the law. To those who are without that law, like one without the law -- not being without God's law but within Christ's law -- to win those without the law. - 1 Corinthians 9:20-21 HCSB​

Paul (and all other Christians) was not under (under the authority of) the Law - that is, the Law of Moses contained in the 10 commandments. Yet he also states that he is not "without God's law" showing that there is a distinction being made now between God's eternal perfect law and the Decalogue. Instead he is "within (under -ESV/NASB) Christ's law.

So he, as a New Covenant Christian, is not under the 10 Commandments (which were the words of the Old Covenant), but he is not lawless or without law (anomos) he is instead under the authority of, and thus obligated to, Christ's law.

What is Christ's law? It's clearly not the 10 commandments otherwise Paul's words here are meaningless gibberish. It's Christ's commands that he gave during his incarnation and ministry. Those are the commands we are obligated to keep and the commands that are written on the believer's heart. That is why he said that his commands to love one another and love God were "new" even though they were part of the Old Covenant law. It was new because it was elevated to a higher position of importance and was given in the context of a New Covenant. Jesus even said that these two commands are the foundation of the Mosaic Law. Not that they are the summation, as some believe, of the Law but instead they are the basis and origin of it.

He said to him, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and most important command. The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commands." - Matthew 22:37-40 HCSB​

This is My command: Love one another as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this, that someone would lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command you. - John 15:12-14 HCSB​

For this is the message you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another, ... Now this is His command: that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commands remains in Him, and He in him. And the way we know that He remains in us is from the Spirit He has given us. - 1 John 3:11, 23-24 HCSB​

If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For the person who does not love his brother he has seen cannot love the God he has not seen. And we have this command from Him: The one who loves God must also love his brother. - 1 John 4:20-21 HCSB​

 

[BobRyan]

The precross command in Matt 22 to "love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 and to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 is classic case of Christ quoting the still-authoritative OT. A point so obvious that even the Jews - the pre-cross Jews agreed.

Christ said in Matt 5 he has not come to in any sense abolish the Law. Then Matt 22 Christ quotes from the Law of Moses to identify the two foundational commands that form the rock-solid immutable foundation of all other Bible commands.

James repeats part of that and shows that this means the Ten Commandments are still in force for all Christians - in James 2.

This is how John says we may KNOW that we love God AND we love the children of God -- IF "We Love God AND KEEP His commandments" 1John 5:1-4.

The saints do that according to John in Rev 14:12 - the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19 - this is what Paul teaches.

Note: the NEW Covenant of Hebrews 8 includes the LAW of God written on the heart of Jer 31:31-33.

The very point that the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and D.L. Moody affirm about the TEN Commandments.

A point that all christians who believe in testing their tradition and doctrine "sola scriptura" must take seriously.

 

[plain_n_simple]

Consider the woman caught in adultery. Jesus gave her the gift of no condemnation, freeing her to go and sin no more.

 

[DHK]

The precross command in Matt 22 to "love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 and to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 is classic case of Christ quoting the still-authoritative OT. A point so obvious that even the Jews - the pre-cross Jews agreed.

Christ said in Matt 5 he has not come to in any sense abolish the Law. Then Matt 22 Christ quotes from the Law of Moses to identify the two foundational commands that form the rock-solid immutable foundation of all other Bible commands.

James repeats part of that and shows that this means the Ten Commandments are still in force for all Christians - in James 2.

This is how John says we may KNOW that we love God AND we love the children of God -- IF "We Love God AND KEEP His commandments" 1John 5:1-4.

The saints do that according to John in Rev 14:12 - the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19 - this is what Paul teaches.

Note: the NEW Covenant of Hebrews 8 includes the LAW of God written on the heart of Jer 31:31-33.

The very point that the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and D.L. Moody affirm about the TEN Commandments.

A point that all christians who believe in testing their tradition and doctrine "sola scriptura" must take seriously.

The repetition of error is still error.
People get sick of the same copy and paste, copy and paste.
If you have nothing new to add, why not just bow out of the discussion; graciously admit defeat.

 

[BobRyan]

Consider the woman caught in adultery. Jesus gave her the gift of no condemnation, freeing her to go and sin no more.

Obedience is for the saints who have the New Covenant that includes "My Law written on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33, Hebrews 8. Acceping the Gospel, being born-again precedes that obedience to the Moral Law of God - including the Ten Commandments that D.L. Moody mentions in the IFB website. Exegesis demands that "My Law" written by Jeremiah in Jer 31:31-33 be that which Jeremiah actually knew about and his contemporary readers knew about. It is impossible to argue that they did not know about the TEN Commandments or the Heb 9 fact that the TEN Commandments were kept inside the ark of God while all other writings of Moses were outside.

The role of the lost as as Paul describes it in Romans 10 "believe with the heart resulting in sanctification and confess with your mouth resulting in salvation".

the "Baptist Confession of Faith" , D.L. Moody, the "Westminster Confession of Faith" et al.. is speaking of the one that is born again - the saints who obey the "Commandments of God" instead of being at war with them.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The repetition of error is still error.

I was about to post that to you..

 

[BobRyan]

To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win Jews; to those under the law, like one under the law -- though I myself am not under the law -- to win those under the law. To those who are without that law, like one without the law -- not being without God's law but within Christ's law -- to win those without the law. - 1 Corinthians 9:20-21 HCSB​

Paul (and all other Christians) was not under (under the authority of) the Law - that is, the Law of Moses contained in the 10 commandments. Yet he also states that he is not "without God's law" showing that there is a distinction being made now between God's eternal perfect law and the Decalogue. Instead he is "within (under -ESV/NASB) Christ's law.

It is pretty obvious that D.L. Moody did not believe that nor does the "Baptist Confession of Faith" section 19 or the "Westminster Confession of Faith", Matthew Henry, go for the idea that God's Ten commandments have been abolished or even "replaced" by some other law. And the OP points out how Christ condemned the idea of religious leaders/groups trying to replace/set aside even one of His TEN Commandments.

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

In fact Paul says that within the still-binding TEN commandments the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2.

 

[plain_n_simple]

Obedience is for the saints who have the New Covenant that includes "My Law written on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33, Hebrews 8. Acceping the Gospel, being born-again precedes that obedience to the Moral Law of God - including the Ten Commandments that D.L. Moody mentions in the IFB website. Exegesis demands that "My Law" written by Jeremiah in Jer 31:31-33 be that which Jeremiah actually knew about and his contemporary readers knew about. It is impossible to argue that they did not know about the TEN Commandments or the Heb 9 fact that the TEN Commandments were kept inside the ark of God while all other writings of Moses were outside.

The role of the lost as as Paul describes it in Romans 10 "believe with the heart resulting in sanctification and confess with your mouth resulting in salvation".

the "Baptist Confession of Faith" , D.L. Moody, the "Westminster Confession of Faith" et al.. is speaking of the one that is born again - the saints who obey the "Commandments of God" instead of being at war with them.

in Christ,

Bob

I hope you are not a minister

 

[BobRyan]

I hope D.L. Moody was a minister who knew about Heb 8 and the New Covenant rather than being at war against it.

And if you do read his sermon - you will find this ---

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

.
The Fourth Commandment

​

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; [/FONT] __________________


Now let's compare that to the statement in the OP

 

[BobRyan]

I am glad that Gospel preaching Bible based ministers accept the following Bible teaching as some examples will show

It is pretty obvious that D.L. Moody and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" section 19 and the "Westminster Confession of Faith", Matthew Henry, go for the idea that God's Ten commandments have not been abolished or even "replaced" by some other law. And the OP points out how Christ condemned the idea of religious leaders/groups trying to replace/set aside even one of His TEN Commandments.

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

In fact Paul says that within the still-binding TEN commandments the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2.

 

[Yeshua1]

And now for some actual fact to go with that fiction.



The very subjects DHK is most at war against - Spurgeon addresses in the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

Spurgeon NEVER stated or wrote that one mneeds to keep the Sabbath of Isreal in order to get/kept saved, as SDA supposses though...

And he NEVER stated that one is saved/kept saved by needing to keep all 10 Commandments of God, bu tthat in them God has expressed how we ought to live for him afetr salvation itself, not as the SDA teaches it to mean!

 

[Yeshua1]

And if you do read his sermon - you will find this ---

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

.
The Fourth Commandment

​

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; [/FONT] __________________


Now let's compare that to the statement in the OP

Except that Moody held it to be now Sunday worship, as unto the first day, when God raised up jesus, do you agree with him on that?

 

[Getting it Right]

Spurgeon NEVER stated or wrote that one mneeds to keep the Sabbath of Isreal in order to get/kept saved, as SDA supposses though...

And he NEVER stated that one is saved/kept saved by needing to keep all 10 Commandments of God, bu tthat in them God has expressed how we ought to live for him afetr salvation itself, not as the SDA teaches it to mean!

..........an' all God's chillen shouted AAAAAAMEN!

:godisgood:

 

[BobRyan]

I am glad that Gospel preaching Bible based ministers accept the following Bible teaching as some examples will show

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobRyan
It is pretty obvious that D.L. Moody and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" section 19 and the "Westminster Confession of Faith", Matthew Henry, go for the idea that God's Ten commandments have not been abolished or even "replaced" by some other law. And the OP points out how Christ condemned the idea of religious leaders/groups trying to replace/set aside even one of His TEN Commandments.

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

In fact Paul says that within the still-binding TEN commandments the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2.

..........an' all God's chillen shouted AAAAAAMEN!

:godisgood:

Indeed - those who do not need to run in fear from the text of scripture when it is compared to their doctrine - will be prone to that as well.

 

[Yeshua1]

I am glad that Gospel preaching Bible based ministers accept the following Bible teaching as some examples will show





Indeed - those who do not need to run in fear from the text of scripture when it is compared to their doctrine - will be prone to that as well.

Do you agree and afirm then with both Spurgeon and Moody that the new Covenant Christian is under grace not the law, and that Sunday worship is now our sabbath day?