Assurance of Salvation

[Steven_15]

Supreme irony that one lost in the foolish heresy of dominion/WoF lectures me on salvation!

Supreme irony this evolutionist teacher promotes disobedience to Mathew 5:48!

 

[George Antonios]

the Holy Spirit only can give real eternal life in Christ, so any so called counterfeit faith has come to someone by Satan as an Angel of light, thru one of His "pastors/teaching" spreading demonic heresies!

Thank you, but that did not relate to the OP.

 

[George Antonios]

Calvin taught that you could have assurance that you are among the elect — though he also admitted that one could also have a counterfeit "faith"

"Hence, those whom God has adopted as sons, he is said to have elected, not in themselves, but in Christ Jesus (Eph. 1:4); because he could love them only in him, and only as being previously made partakers with him, honor them with the inheritance of his kingdom. But if we are elected in him, we cannot find the certainty of our election in ourselves; and not even in God the Father, if we look at him apart from the Son. Christ, then, is the mirror in which we ought, and in which, without deception, we may contemplate our election. For since it is into his body that the Father has decreed to ingraft those whom from eternity he wished to be his, that he may regard as sons all whom he acknowledges to be his members, if we are in communion with Christ, we have proof sufficiently clear and strong that we are written in the Book of Life."

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 3.24.5, 1845 translation by Henry Beveridge

So the OP's stated understanding is correct then.

 

[Yeshua1]

Supreme irony one evolutionist false teacher who is also an agent for gifted healers, disobeys God's command in Mathew 5:48 and goes around lecturing others to "stop sinning"!
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No, as I am just having them obey the teachings of scriptures!

 

[Steven_15]

This is how I understand the Perseverance of the elect in the TULIP.

If I am one of the elect, then I will persevere [by the grace of God, not of my own power] in a life of holiness, never ending up in unrepentant sin but ever confessing my sins and seeking to walk with God, until the time of my death.
But I haven't reached the time of my death yet, so I still have the potential, if I am not in fact of the elect but only think I am, of ending up in unrepentant sin. If I do end up in such a state and die, then I find out, finally, that I wasn't one of the elect to begin with, which is why I did not persevere.

Therefore, even though I think I'm one of the elect based on the fact that I believe the gospel and seek to please God and to strive against sin and confess it, I can never be 100% sure that I am an elect, until I die in a state of perseverance.

Therefore in Calvinism, I can never have 100% assurance of salvation [I didn't say "eternal security", I said "assurance of salvation"].

Is my understanding correct? If not, please explain why not. Thanks

Perseverance is by continuing in faith in His grace.
Repentance is not about confessing sins but in believing His grace alone saves.

 

[Steven_15]

No, as I am just having them obey the teachings of scriptures!

Hypocrites don't obey the teaching of scripture in Mathew 5:48 but go around commanding others to obey!

 

[Yeshua1]

Hypocrites don't obey the teaching of scripture in Mathew 5:48 but go around commanding others to obey!

Jesus commands us to exercise church discipline, especially towards those in leadership positions!

 

[Yeshua1]

Perseverance is by continuing in faith in His grace.
Repentance is not about confessing sins but in believing His grace alone saves.

John tells us to confess our sins, do you?

 

[George Antonios]

Perseverance is by continuing in faith in His grace.
Repentance is not about confessing sins but in believing His grace alone saves.

Fine, but what about the question in the OP?

 

[George Antonios]

Given the fact that only 1, or now 2 people only have actually addressed the OP, I take it that most Calvinists have not ever thought upon the issue as presented in the OP?

 

[Yeshua1]

This is how I understand the Perseverance of the elect in the TULIP.

If I am one of the elect, then I will persevere [by the grace of God, not of my own power] in a life of holiness, never ending up in unrepentant sin but ever confessing my sins and seeking to walk with God, until the time of my death.
But I haven't reached the time of my death yet, so I still have the potential, if I am not in fact of the elect but only think I am, of ending up in unrepentant sin. If I do end up in such a state and die, then I find out, finally, that I wasn't one of the elect to begin with, which is why I did not persevere.

Therefore, even though I think I'm one of the elect based on the fact that I believe the gospel and seek to please God and to strive against sin and confess it, I can never be 100% sure that I am an elect, until I die in a state of perseverance.

Therefore in Calvinism, I can never have 100% assurance of salvation [I didn't say "eternal security", I said "assurance of salvation"].

Is my understanding correct? If not, please explain why not. Thanks

We all shall die in a state of having some sin not repented of, as no sionless perfection state in this life!
Think the Calvinist/reformed viewpoint is that someone really saved and having a new nature and indwelt by the Holy Spirit shall have the conviction concerning their sinning, and they will not be able to just keep on living in known sinning, but will eventually come to a place of repentance and confession of that as sin...
Basically, those who are his own will know the convicting of the Holy Spirit as see it as wrong and sinning, while those still lost could care less!

 

[Steven_15]

Jesus commands us to exercise church discipline, especially towards those in leadership positions!

So church discipline need not be exercised over christians in non-leadership positions?

Secondly, when will you who trust in your works, exercise church discipline and first kick yourself out for blatant disobedience to Mathew 5:48?

 

[Steven_15]

Given the fact that only 1, or now 2 people only have actually addressed the OP, I take it that most Calvinists have not ever thought upon the issue as presented in the OP?

Usually hypocrites claim they know the moral law stated in Mathew 5:48 but excuse themselves by repenting only over sins which they claim as "known". How can some sins be unknown if they claim to know the moral law by which they judge other christians and kick them out of the church?

Moreover, they claim they have unrepentant sins till their last moment. Thus in their own words, they admit their repentance is absolutely incomplete. Yet they keep trusting in their incomplete repentance & not in His grace, to prove they are saved! Thus their claim to be saved is phoney.

Thirdly, they ridiculously claim the Holy Spirit only convicts them of "known" sins. But the truth is, the Holy Spirit convicts them of all their sins and convicts them as total sinners before God according to the standard set by the moral law. The Holy Spirit also tells them they have no option but to prove they are saved only by His grace. But these hypocrites don't hear His voice and instead keep trusting in their bogus difference between known and unknown sins & thus they remain lost.

 

[Steven_15]

John tells us to confess our sins, do you?

Usually hypocrites claim they know the moral law stated in Mathew 5:48 but excuse themselves by repenting only over sins which they claim as "known". How can some sins be unknown if they claim to know the moral law by which they judge other christians and kick them out of the church?

Moreover, they claim they have unrepentant sins till their last moment. Thus in their own words, they admit their repentance is absolutely incomplete. Yet they keep trusting in their incomplete repentance & not in His grace, to prove they are saved! Thus their claim to be saved is phoney.

Thirdly, they ridiculously claim the Holy Spirit only convicts them of "known" sins. But the truth is, the Holy Spirit convicts them of all their sins and convicts them as total sinners before God according to the standard set by the moral law. The Holy Spirit also tells them they have no option but to prove they are saved only by His grace. But these hypocrites don't hear His voice and instead keep trusting in their bogus difference between known and unknown sins & thus they remain lost.

 

[Steven_15]

John tells us to confess our sins, do you?

Does John tell you to excuse yourself by not confessing sins which you claim as "unknown"? Does John tell you your confessions and not His grace saves you?

 

[Yeshua1]

So church discipline need not be exercised over christians in non-leadership positions?

Secondly, when will you who trust in your works, exercise church discipline and first kick yourself out for blatant disobedience to Mathew 5:48?

All churches need to especially watch over those in spiritual authority and leadership!
If I refuse to deal with known sin issues confronted over, a problem. but if say a well known pastor /teacher refuses, really bid issues!

 

[Yeshua1]

Usually hypocrites claim they know the moral law stated in Mathew 5:48 but excuse themselves by repenting only over sins which they claim as "known". How can some sins be unknown if they claim to know the moral law by which they judge other christians and kick them out of the church?

Moreover, they claim they have unrepentant sins till their last moment. Thus in their own words, they admit their repentance is absolutely incomplete. Yet they keep trusting in their incomplete repentance & not in His grace, to prove they are saved! Thus their claim to be saved is phoney.

Thirdly, they ridiculously claim the Holy Spirit only convicts them of "known" sins. But the truth is, the Holy Spirit convicts them of all their sins and convicts them as total sinners before God according to the standard set by the moral law. The Holy Spirit also tells them they have no option but to prove they are saved only by His grace. But these hypocrites don't hear His voice and instead keep trusting in their bogus difference between known and unknown sins & thus they remain lost.

So pastors and bible teachers who are doing known sins should just be allowed on their merry way, as none are "good enough" to challege their behavior?

 

[Yeshua1]

Does John tell you to excuse yourself by not confessing sins which you claim as "unknown"? Does John tell you your confessions and not His grace saves you?

John tells us that we shall all still have degrees of sins even after saved, and to keep our fellowship with the father need to confess and get recleaned by blood of Christ!

 

[Steven_15]

All churches need to especially watch over those in spiritual authority and leadership!
If I refuse to deal with known sin issues confronted over, a problem. but if say a well known pastor /teacher refuses, really bid issues!

You very well know you are not sinless according to Mathew 5:48. How then do you excuse yourself from being kicked out of the church claiming your sins are "unknown"? People are observing the stupidity of your replies!!!

 

[Steven_15]

John tells us that we shall all still have degrees of sins even after saved, and to keep our fellowship with the father need to confess and get recleaned by blood of Christ!

Are you recleaned to the position where you become sinless?
What do you mean by recleaned when you simultaneously claim you can never be "sinless"? Don't utter nonsense.

When you claim you can never be "sinless", how do you say you keep fellowship with the Father by your "false claim" of being "recleaned"?

Don't be a hypocrite by denying grace through Christ's blood as the only means christians can gave fellowship with the Father. Are you ashamed to acknowledge His grace because of your pride in your false state of being recleaned?

Live holy but don't think you can ever be clean in order to have fellowship with the Father. "Your cleaned state" is not the way to fellowship with the Father but rather the "perfectly clean Christ" is the way to fellowship with the Father. Strive to live holy but don't worship your cleaned state! Worship Christ!