Belief not a gift

[Reformed1689]

Here is a stupid question for you.

WHY does God need to DRAG and FORCE the elect when they have already been CHOSEN for salvation???

This whole system is very much UNBIBLICAL

BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST OUR NATURE! NOBODY seeks after God.

 

[SavedByGrace]

BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST OUR NATURE! NOBODY seeks after God.

Sure but if you are already predestined to salvation before the foundation of the world, a very simple CALL will no doubt suffice.

You guys make it up as you go along

 

[canadyjd]

I missed how we make God a liar if we are unable to believe. The action of rejection is in view. So simple a child should be able to grasp the reality.

Don’t see any connection to “making God a liar” when we point out scripture that every person on the planet is already condemned because they rejected God’s revelation found in creation.

So simple a child could understand, unless you are an adult making childlike arguments,

Peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST OUR NATURE! NOBODY seeks after God.

Did you DRAG and FORCE your wife to be to the Church to marry you

 

[Aaron]

if faith is a gift that God gives just to the elect, so that they can then get saved, how can He justlty condem those who do not believe, as they are not given this gift? This makes God to be unjust. It is very simple to those who are not "reformed" in their thinking

Ever and anon the cry of the noncalvinist is, why doth He yet find fault?

Romans 9:19

 

[SavedByGrace]

Ever and anon the cry of the noncalvinist is, why doth He yet find fault?

Romans 9:19

Dude I find FAULT with your system and NOT the Lord.

Can you understand that???

 

[Van]

Don’t see any connection to “making God a liar” when we point out scripture that every person on the planet is already condemned because they rejected God’s revelation found in creation.

So simple a child could understand, unless you are an adult making childlike arguments,

Peace to you

I will not pursue it further or farther, because your non answer reveals that Calvinism has no answer.

 

[Reformed1689]

Sure but if you are already predestined to salvation before the foundation of the world, a very simple CALL will no doubt suffice.

You guys make it up as you go along

So now you are telling God how he works? That's pretty arrogant.

 

[Reformed1689]

Dude I find FAULT with your system and NOT the Lord.

Can you understand that???

Except it isn't our system, we are quoting Scripture. Do you understand that?

 

[SavedByGrace]

So now you are telling God how he works? That's pretty arrogant.

I am questioning your really silly theology.

God does NOT drag or force anyone to come to Him!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Except it isn't our system, we are quoting Scripture. Do you understand that?

As I have said millions of times. John 3.16 destroys your system of theology. Argue all you want but it is FACT

 

[SavedByGrace]

Except it isn't our system, we are quoting Scripture. Do you understand that?

How about answering #64?

 

[Reformed1689]

As I have said millions of times. John 3.16 destroys your system of theology. Argue all you want but it is FACT

Except it doesn't.

 

[Reformed1689]

How about answering #64?

How is that question even relevant?

 

[George Antonios]

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

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Here in v.4 works and belief are separated and clearly defines belief as not a work. Neither does it define belief as a gift.

Agreed!

 

[George Antonios]

No, it's about the source of faith. No one can say that Jesus is Lord but by the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:3

A) It's not "Jesus is Lord" it's "Jesus is THE Lord"
B) Saying Jesus is the Lord by the Spirit does NOT automatically equate with salvation.
Many lost men have spoken by the Spirit in the Bible: Balaam, Saul, Caiaphas, etc.
It just means that when they say Jesus is the Lord they're saying that under influence of the Holy Spirit.
It does not necessarily imply they've been born again of the Spirit.

 

[George Antonios]

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit, not of the natural man. Fairly simple and straightforward.

Galatians 5:22.

You just don't believe it.

That's the spiritual gift of extra faith, as in
Rom_12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
Rom 12:7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
Rom 12:8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

Therefore Galatians 5:22 is not about saving faith.
It was God that gave George Muller the kind of serving faith he had.
But as for the faith to believe the gospel, every lost man has that ability, hence the responsibility.

Calvinism and Context never mix well together.

 

[canadyjd]

I will keep on asking you guys the same question until you can answer from the Bible.

Show from John 3.16 that God's Saving Love is only for the elect. This verse destroys most of reformed teaching

You’ve been continuously given biblical answers.Your hatred for reformed theology has rendered you blind to anything other than your own mindless musings that contradict God’s word.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

I will not pursue it further or farther, because your non answer reveals that Calvinism has no answer.

Only reformed theology has the answers you are looking for.

You claim, as usual, that God cannot be righteous if He condemns people for rejecting the gospel if they are unable.

I point that scripture tells us all people have already rejected God and stand condemned when they reject what God reveals of Himself in creation. That is the teaching of scripture.

That God choses some for salvation, and brings them into a right relationship with Himself, based on His will and His purpose, is the demonstration of His mercy and grace.

Your question has been answered according to scripture. Accept it or not, but whatever you do won’t change the truth.

peace to you

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Answer Yes or No to the following propositions :

God is Holy
Everything that God does is perfect
All of humanity is sinful
All of humanity deserves eternal condemnation
God shows mercy to whomever he wants to
God hardens whomever he wants to
As sinful humans we have absolutely no right whatsoever to question anything God does or states in the Scriptures.

Will any non-Calvinist please answer the seven propositions with a simple yes or no to each?

It seems to be Kryptonite to non-Calvinists.