Okay, ASLANSPAL, let's start Colonel Hackworth's comments on this subject. Bear with me, friends, as this requires a lengthy answer to properly address the subject:Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
... Finally from Col. David Hackworth his words still live on as the great soldier he was , a soldier who did it right and did us proud. ...
Col.David Hackworth Fry the Big Fish Too
Let me restate that Colonel Hackworth served his country well and merits respect for having done so. Let me also restate that some things he's expressed - such as the negative effect of individual rotations within units and the relative lack of, not with standing the Marine CAP program, a lasting level of village security in Viet Nam - I agree with completely. However, on the subject of detainee operations in this current war I believe he was completely wrong in the referenced article. Here's why:Colonel Hackworth wrote in Fry the Big Fish Too:
... A squad of the enlisted perps who made their bones via the Abu Ghraib abomination are going down, and so they should. They've disgraced the American profession of arms by committing atrocities as high on the national shame scale as Vietnam's My Lai. But while the accused – untrained, part-time soldiers ill-prepared for their prison-guard mission – most definitely deserve to be punished, where are the whales who disregarded the Geneva Convention in line with our president's ill-considered insistence that prisoners in the war on terror are "unlawful combatants"?
Unlike Nuremberg, which led with the trials of the top leadership of the Third Reich and only gradually worked its way down to the bottom of that evil ladder, our leaders are, so far, successfully ducking any responsibility for the crimes perpetrated on their watch. ...
Hackworth incorrectly claimed that American soldiers had committed "... atrocities as high on the national shame scale as Vietnam's My Lai." The conduct revealed at Abu Ghraib was unacceptable but it in no way compared to what happened at My Lai. At My Lai an officer ordered the murder of civilians and his troops carried out that order along with him. About the only thing common between these two incidents is that neither represented the typical, accepted, nor tolerated conduct with the military and both were dealt with through the military justice system. To compare Abu Ghraib to My Lai, to call either a "national" shame, etc. are gross exaggerations.
The next problem is that Hackworth claimed that the leadership - the "whales" as he names them - disregarded the Geneva Convention and that President Bush somehow created a new category of "unlawful combatants". This is also completely untrue. The 1949 Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War define categories of persons that may fall into the hands of a military force. It spells out the criteria that must be met for a person to be properly labeled as a prisoners of war and the rights to which they're thereby entitled. It also makes it clear that other categories do not met these qualifications and are not entitled to the same protection. Here's just a small part - the starting point for classification - of the relevant Geneva Conventions document:
The military's regulations, manuals, doctrine, orders, etc. all comply with the full intent and letter of the Geneva Conventions. Nothing "special" has been created to circumvent these requirements for situations an hand. If anything, we've always sought to err of the safe side.Extract from Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War, Art. 4:
A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:
1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:
(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) That of carrying arms openly;
(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
Here's how our Army and Marines Law of Land Warfare manual further clarifies the definition of "other militias and members of other volunteer corps" in the GPW:
Persons that don't meet the proper criteria are not prisoners of war and fall into other categories that are not protected to the same degree as those classified as prisoners of war. It should be resonably clear that terrorists don't meet the definition of lawful combatants given.Extract from FM 27-10, Ch. 3, Sect. 64:
64. Qualifications of Members of Militias and Volunteer Corps
The requirements specified in Article 4, paragraphs A (2) (a) to (d), GPW (par. 61) are satisfied in the following fashion:
a. Command by a Responsible Person.
This condition is fulfilled if the commander of the corps is a commissioned officer of the armed forces or is a person of position and authority or if the members of the militia or volunteer corps are provided with documents, badges, or other means of identification to show that they are officers, non-commissioned officers, or soldiers so that there may be no doubt that they are not persons acting on their own responsibility. State recognition, however, is not essential, and an organization may be formed spontaneously and elect its own officers.
b. Fixed Distinctive Sign.
The second condition, relative to the possession of a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance is satisfied by the wearing of military uniform, but less than the complete uniform will suffice. A helmet or headdress which would make the silhouette of the individual readily distinguishable from that of an ordinary civilian would satisfy this requirement. It is also desirable that the individual member of the militia or volunteer corps wear a badge or brassard permanently affixed to his clothing. It is not necessary to inform the enemy of the distinctive sign, although it may be desirable to do so in order to avoid misunderstanding.
c. Carrying Arms Openly.
This requirement is not satisfied by the carrying of weapons concealed about the person or if the individuals hide their weapons on the approach of the enemy.
d. Compliance With Law of War.
This condition is fulfilled if most of the members of the body observe the laws and customs of war, notwithstanding the fact that the individual member concerned may have committed a war crime. Members of militias and volunteer corps should be especially warned against employment of treachery, denial of quarters, maltreatment of prisoners of war, wounded, and dead, improper conduct toward flags of truce, pillage, and unnecessary violence and destruction.
This, by the way, does not imply that such persons can be mistreated. All persons in our custody must be treated humanely at all times.
There are different degrees of legal protection afforded to lawful and unlawful combatants. The most significant is that legitimate prisoners of war - lawful combatants - can not be tried by military commissions - tribunals - whereas others can be. The acts of lawful combatants in the course of lawful war fighting can not be punished. The acts of unlawful combatants, however, can be. This is one major reason why it would be so ill advised to classify terrorists as prisoners of war or, perhaps worse yet, as common criminals subject to US civil law.
The next problem is that Hackworth claimed that President Bush somehow created a new category of "unlawful combatants". The comment about the President by Hackworth only confirms his disdain for this administration and a willingness to lay blame at the President's feet for anything that might go wrong.
This criteria and the US law, military regulations, and military doctrine have been in place since before President Bush as born. They continue to be refined and clarified but the basics have been there a long time. In fact a lot of American policy on proper handling of prisoners of war, and others, dates back to the time of President Lincoln when orders on the subject were developed and published on the subject.
Here are some excerpts from Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld orders regarding the aggressive interrogation techniques that were authorized. He prepared this after considerable review and discussion within the military and civilian authorities on proper compliance with applicable law:
It should be very clear from this that no inhumane treatment nor anything else not permitted by the Geneva Conventions was authorized by the President through the Secretary of Defense. The specific techniques detailed in the order are those defined in our standard interrogation procedures and do not include any of the misconduct that occurred at Abu Ghraib. This is even aside from the fact that this order was to Southern Command for JTF-GITMO (formerly JTF-160/170) where the unlawful combatants were being held.Secretary Rumsfeld wrote in his April 16, 2003 Memo to Commander, US Southern Command:
I approve the use of specified counter-resistance techniques, subject to the following:
a. The techniques I authorize are those lettered A-X, set out at Tab A.
b. These techniques must be used with all the safeguards described at Tab B.
c. Use of these techniques is limited to interrogations of unlawful combatants held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
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I reiterate that US Armed Forces shall continue to treat detainees humanely and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity, in a manner consistent with the principles of the Geneva Conventions. ...
Lastly, with respect to Colonel Hackworth's comments, is "... our leaders are, so far, successfully ducking any responsibility for the crimes perpetrated on their watch." and the connection to Germany's actions during World War II. This is more irresponsible unfounded allegations. The "Final Solution" in Germany was a state planned, organized, and executed wholesale annihilation of "enemies of the state" known to and orchestrated by the highest levels of government. There's nothing about Abu Ghraib, or even GITMO where no significant misconduct has been found, that even approaches that level of evil much less its consequences. The "Hitler connection" made by Hackworth was a very low blow more often heard from highly liberal commentators.
Further, our leaders have not been "ducking responsibility" but rather have been prudently addressing it. The leaders in our Dept. of Defense and our Armed Forces are fighting a serious war on our behalf seeking to win it through all available legal means.
Two "whales", with respect to Abu Ghriab, the Commanders of the 800th MP Brigade and of the 205th MI Brigade, have been held accountable for not properly supervising their units. Rarely is it necessary to demote a Brigadier General but it was done in this case and justly so.
So, with no disrespect whatsoever to the late Colonel Hackworth's record or reputation, he was, never the less, either uniformed on this subject or purposefully chose to ignore certain facts.
I've got to do some other things but I'll try, ASLANSPAL, to address your others points later if I have time. This stuff can take up a lot of person's time. I do it only because I believe it is my duty to stand up for and defend the truth.