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Bushites Split As Gitmo Abuses Continue

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ASLANSPAL

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When even conservatives take issue Draggoon
it is not a liberal rant it has crossed over
from left to right and is squarely in the mainstream...I still see your position as
moving towards mine and accountability.

I explained the movie analogy because his or
her statement resembled an attitude.

I will continue to expose this as I see fit
because new details are emerging...child torture...implications of cross training between
gitmo and abu gharib...higher ups implicated etc.

so as much as you spin and are Clintonesque in
your effort to silence me ..you will not becuase
this is a discussion board and not a Draggon
propaganda board.

It is without question in this country we support
the troops but the bottom line it is our government and the policy and culture of humilation and torture is a evil seed that must
be rooted out or course this does not include
the military in totall but it is only surgery
dealing with bad policy and culture in our
compromise of the Geneva convention. I agree
with John McCain.

"The thing that separates us from the enemy is our respect for human rights," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said on ABC's This Week.

Senator McCain, of Arizona, argued that the debate"is not about who they are. It's about who we are." Americans, said Mr. McCain, "hold ourselves" to a higher standard.
 
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Dragoon68

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Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
When even ... higher standard.
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These are more of your repeated messages without substance, ASLANSPAL, all of which I've already addressed in much detail.

You just can't deal with those details can you? It's easier to pass it off as "Draggon propaganda" isn't it?

My handle on the BaptistBoard is "Dragoon68" but you continue to play with that as well don't you?
 
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Dragoon68

Active Member
Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
... bad policy and culture in our compromise of the Geneva convention. ...
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Exactly how does our policy and culture compromise the Geneva Conventions, ASLANSPAL?

Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
... policy and culture of humilation and torture ...
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What specific policy and culture of humilation and torture are you writing about, ASLANSPAL?

What specific acts of "torture" are you refering to, ASLANSPAL?
 
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emeraldctyangel

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My pastor this past Sunday, preached the following:

In my hometown we like football. We have a team called the Patriots. We seen people dressed in red, white, and blue, streamers on their cars, hats, and coats, and jerseys - and I asked them..why are you dressed like this? They tell me "Because we are Patriots". I go into the stadium on Sunday afternoon and see young women in costumes, dancing around to music, and I asked them "why do you dress and dance like that?" They respond "Because we are Patriots". After a few minutes the lights flash and the music gets loud and many very large men dressed in football uniforms come onto the field - THOSE are the real Patriots. Everybody else is just a fan.

I promise you this story was told as part of a sermon to illustrate how you can be a fan of church, Jesus, or the choir even, but you cant be a Christian unless you abide in Christ's word. The name of the sermon? Contender or pretender: The Call to Discipleship.

[Personal attack deleted]

[ August 03, 2005, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]
 
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emeraldctyangel

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Oh by the way, ANs, if you continue to want to write me private messages, at least clean out your box so I can give you the courtesy of a response. Thank you.
 
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OldRegular

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Tricky Dicky Durbin, Teddy [Chappaquiddick Kid] Kennedy, John [purple heart] Kerry, Hillary Dillary, and their ilk have shown that there is no limit to which the Bush Haters will go. Dare I include the self righteous ilk among us? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
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OCC

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Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
My pastor this past Sunday, preached the following:

In my hometown we like football. We have a team called the Patriots. We seen people dressed in red, white, and blue, streamers on their cars, hats, and coats, and jerseys - and I asked them..why are you dressed like this? They tell me "Because we are Patriots". I go into the stadium on Sunday afternoon and see young women in costumes, dancing around to music, and I asked them "why do you dress and dance like that?" They respond "Because we are Patriots". After a few minutes the lights flash and the music gets loud and many very large men dressed in football uniforms come onto the field - THOSE are the real Patriots. Everybody else is just a fan.

I promise you this story was told as part of a sermon to illustrate how you can be a fan of church, Jesus, or the choir even, but you cant be a Christian unless you abide in Christ's word. The name of the sermon? Contender or pretender: The Call to Discipleship.

You figure out how ANspal is a fan and not a Patriot.
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So...you want A/pal to "cheer you on" and that would make him a Patriot? But this story says the opposite. If he cheers you on he is only a fan. Or are you saying that he has to join the military and go and fight in order to be a Patriot? Interesting...

Oh...and it's also interesting that the first "Patriots" were rebels against their native country. :eek:
 
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emeraldctyangel

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As usual, the salient point has been missed by you KJ.

I pretty much care not if two conspiracy theorist better known as A-pal and you join the military (highly doubtful as they wouldnt let you spend so much time on the computer) or cheer anything on. So let me make this clear to you both: Youve no valid experiences to speak of when it comes to the war in Iraq, the situation in the detainee facility in Cuba or the caves in Afghanistan. Not one. You can give your opinion, and youve surely worn out that right times 5, but you still do not have a single valid thing to say that is steeped in experience. Others may have different opinions about this and this is mine.

Neither of you are contenders in this war.

I can read a chemistry book but it does not make me a chemist. I can read the Bible but it does not make me Christian. I can hold pompoms and jump up and down and rattle off the statistics of the team, but that does not make me a part of the team.

If anything you both serve as excellent examples of what my pastor was talking about.
 
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ASLANSPAL

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Emerald I would encourage you to debate the topic
discuss it, but to attack me is attacking the
messenger and sometimes that messenger is actually
being patriotic and taking a risk so our military
is not poisoned by bad seeds or bad policy.imho
 
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OCC

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Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
As usual, the salient point has been missed by you KJ.

I pretty much care not if two conspiracy theorist better known as A-pal and you join the military (highly doubtful as they wouldnt let you spend so much time on the computer) or cheer anything on. So let me make this clear to you both: Youve no valid experiences to speak of when it comes to the war in Iraq, the situation in the detainee facility in Cuba or the caves in Afghanistan. Not one. You can give your opinion, and youve surely worn out that right times 5, but you still do not have a single valid thing to say that is steeped in experience. Others may have different opinions about this and this is mine.

Neither of you are contenders in this war.

I can read a chemistry book but it does not make me a chemist. I can read the Bible but it does not make me Christian. I can hold pompoms and jump up and down and rattle off the statistics of the team, but that does not make me a part of the team.

If anything you both serve as excellent examples of what my pastor was talking about.
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As usual you fail to make a point. You are quite good with the personal attacks though. Keep em comin.
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By the way, I think I got your "salient point". You call someone who is not "involved" as you are unpatriotic, you expect them to cheer for you, and if they do nothing but cheer for you...they are nothing but an unpatriotic fan. If that is not what you meant, you should have done a better job of clarifying what you meant. (sound familiar?)

As for what I could care less about...I could care less that I have no valid experience in regards to Iraq. I do have the right to an opinion though and you angel, are not going to take that away.
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Rocko9

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Is this topic about patriotism or is it about denying rights to the detainees to have abuse or not to have abuse. If it is about patriotism may I suggest that all those players who carry guns and shoot those mean old Iraqis and get their kicks from abusing them as well move to an island somewhere and fund their own war . I believe in supporting the troops but some of this gibberish is plain over the top.
 
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Ed Edwards

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Emeraldctyangel: "Youve no valid experiences to speak of when it comes to the war in Iraq, the situation in the detainee facility in Cuba or the caves in Afghanistan."

Remind us of yours.
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Anyway, those who actually KNOW cannot speak ;)
Only we who don't know are free to speak.

It is the Government way :eek:

[ August 04, 2005, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: Phillip ]
 
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emeraldctyangel

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A-pal, youve nothing new to add to your rhetoric I see. Debate what? Abuse at Gitmo or in Iraq? Doesnt happen anymore. What you are debating is over three years old (for Cuba anyway) and almost 2 years old for Iraq. Way to stay in the game though.

James, no that was not my point. But at this time of day, I am all for giving you a cookie and a cup of milk and just sending you on your way.

Mr. Ed, what do you mean? I think I can read your post a few different ways, at least the first couple lines of it, but not sure about that last one...please explain? Thanks.

Mr. Rocko, I think any person who humiliates and abuses another person needs to be under the jail, not in it. In the reports and photos of the events that happened at Abu Ghraib, there is nothing except tomfoolery to be obtained in using those methods.
 
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OCC

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"James, no that was not my point. But at this time of day, I am all for giving you a cookie and a cup of milk and just sending you on your way."

Then you should have explained it better shouldn't you? Here's a
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for ya sistah!
 
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OCC

Guest
LOL the funny thing is...I GET what Ed is saying.
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Either you don't get your point across with clarity...or I just tune you out. One or the other...
 
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Phillip

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Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
Emeraldctyangel: "Youve no valid experiences to speak of when it comes to the war in Iraq, the situation in the detainee facility in Cuba or the caves in Afghanistan."

Remind us of yours.
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Anyway, those who actually KNOW cannot speak ;)
Only we who don't know are free to speak.


It is the Government way :eek:
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I guess you have to be in the government to even understand what you are talking about. I honestly thought your post was very clear. But, then again, I work for the Government. :D
 
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emeraldctyangel

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OHHHH I get it....this is really a post about how a select few can bait the rest and then claim offense when they are refuted. My bad.

Odd. Those al queda detainees down in Gitmo use the same tactics. Four guards search a cell for some known contraband, the detainee beats three of them up, takes the eye out of the fourth, and when others rush in to help subdue him, he throws up his hands and therefore he cannot be touched. Yet he still held the soldier's eye in the palm of his hand.

I guess that is perfectly okay with some of you. Just not me. You can accept that kind of stuff in your lives all you want and twice on Sunday, but do not expect me to think that is fine and dandy. If you want to have 'salient' (since this is obviously the vocabulary word of the day) points, might want to see the big picture before you just jump on your old hate soapbox. Hate existed long before we ever got here, and it amazes me that some of you think that Americans have the corner market on that. We were never perfect and we will never be perfect. But there is always worse.

My best suggestion to some of you is get out there and see for yourself, providing youve enough personal courage to endure your ideas of humanity shaken to the core.
 
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