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Dale,

Good question! :thumbs:

 

I do not agree that that is a valid scripture reference.
Once again, please show me scriptural evidence for future election unto salvation.
Thanks
DC

 

And IMHO, your opinion is unBiblical.

 

You said that your salvation was decreed by God and I quote;

Now, if you are saying that your salvation was decreed by God "when you believed" then we are on the same page, but I suspect (knowing you), that you mean that God decreed your salvation before the foundation of the world. If I am wrong, then I am pleased that I am wrong in this case, but I suspect I am right and that you believe "that God decreed your salvation before the foundation of the world".

Because I believe God "decreed" that all who believe shall be saved.

So you see, you did say that you were saved before the foundation of the world. I think you would like to say it both ways, but its either you were, before the foundation or when you believed, which one is it????

BBob,

 

I do understand what you believe. I do not understand how you came up with it.
Please explain.
Thanks

 

Ok, let me explain once again:

We are not SAVED before the foundation of the world.
We are elected UNTO salvation then.

The president gets elected in November but he is not president at that point.
Now, we know that aside from a major catastrophe he will SOMEDAY be president.

Election is God's choosing.

If you are elect, you will someday repent.
God will overcome your unbelief and you will repent.
But you aren't a Christian until you do.

 

I always thought God's word was a sure thing, not matter when it was decreed.

We are elected into Salvation, but you are not saved? Is there some way you could lose it after God elected you unto Salvation??

Come on Dale-c, you know that is double talk.

BBob,

 

God is also Omnipresent and can see all three at the same time. Therefore predestination to God is not what man makes it out to be.

BBob,

 

Very good point... :thumbs:

 

What does God make it out to be?

 

On Belief...........

God’s omniscience and omnipresence
God knows the results of our decisions, not through absolute prediction but rather because He can already observe those results
In time and all that exist in time, it is all present with God at all time. He see at all time what is and what was and what will be when we are called to Heaven. God is outside of time. He can work in time when He wants but He sees all things and already saw you believe before you were born, matter of fact, before the foundation of the World. God is Sovereign and it does not take away for that for Him to make the creature subject to vanity. It was His choice to do so and we had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Again, because He knows the end from the begining and is outside of time. It is not great thing for Him to see me believe when He sees all at once for with Him, time does not matter. Before the earth was created there was not time, and when this world come to an end, time will cease again. Time was created for man and not God for He sees all.

 

I do not follow.

You say God sees election as belief?

 

I say election is because of belief.

God did His part when he created man. He never willed that man to believe or not believe. He never willed that man to sin and He never willed that man to righteous. God did will His Son to die for sin and those who believed that Jesus is the Son of God and died for sin would be saved by His Grace. The problem is, when did God know this? He is without time so He always sees man believe, before the foundation of the world, now and in the end. God see all in a moment, so He knows who to "call" because He sees who believes.

Those who believe:

Rom 8:29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.



Rom 8:30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.