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Calvinism, God's Mercy

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is
not of men, but of God.

HP: I thought being a true Jew was a sign of being born again?
 

webdog

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Not a deflection, it is the answer. The epistles are written to all Christians, now study and divide which parts apply to today and which parts don't.

Likewise...divide which parts are dealing with jews and which are dealing with gentiles.
 

steaver

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Why do you think that saying Christians are not the elect fights Calvinism? I am not a Calvinist, and I know God elects Gentiles.

There are a couple different topics going Moriah, I was addressing the "Gentiles are not the elect" thread within this thread. I know God elects Gentiles as well.
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
What do you call replacement theology? Do you believe that the Jews have to accept Jesus before they are saved?
Replacement Theology is the belief that the "Church" replaces Israel. That is a heresy. The Jews still exist. You can see them fighting the Palestinians who are backed by Iran. But they are not saved, and no longer the elect of God.

Do Jews have to trust Jesus in order to be saved? Yes!
That is the only way to be saved--by trusting Christ.
One cannot be born a Christian.
A Jew is not born saved, with eternal life. There are Jews that die and go to hell every day because they have rejected Christ.
 

savedbymercy

New Member
dhk

That is true that no man can be saved without the gospel

Yes, if you do not believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, there simply is no evidence of salvation ! And Yes, the Truth's of Tulip are Gospel Truth's. The Gospel of God's Grace Acts 20:24

But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

One cannot Preach the Gospel of God's Grace without telling the Truth about the Election of Grace ! Rom 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
 

savedbymercy

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steaver

Would you be so kind as to share your testimony as to your coming to faith in CHrist?

No I will not, this thread is not about my personal Testimony !

stedfat

Nowhere are the Gentiles said to be "elect

Thats false. Gentile believers are the seed of Abraham, the Seed of Abraham is Elect !

Gal 3:29

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Isa 41:8

But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
 

Moriah

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No, that is not true.
Paul was only making a spiritual illustration.

Israel still exists as a nation.
Do not torture the Scripture.

I do not do what you accuse me of doing.

It is not only a matter of a spiritual illustration.

The state of Israel exists, and it has all kinds of people with all kinds of religions. Earthly land is not important.

Not all from Israel are Israel.
 

savedbymercy

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I believe you are the first professing CHristian I have met that refuses to share the wonderful testimony of coming to Christ. A bit odd I think.

Its a first time for everything, I am not here to talk about me, but Christ ! If thats not what you are here for, fine !
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
I do not do what you accuse me of doing.

It is not only a matter of a spiritual illustration.

The state of Israel exists, and it has all kinds of people with all kinds of religions. Earthly land is not important.

Not all from Israel are Israel.
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
--In the OT God called out a nation unto himself; that nation was called Israel.
--In the NT God is still calling a nation unto himself; that nation is called the church of God. It is composed of all nationalities--the redeemed in Christ Jesus both Jews and Gentiles alike. All must come to Christ the same way. All have the same purpose:

we should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
 

savedbymercy

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mor

True believers are Israel.

I agree Gal 3:29

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

In scripture, the words the seed of Abraham, or Abraham's seed always means Israel !
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
mor



I agree Gal 3:29

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

In scripture, the words the seed of Abraham, or Abraham's seed always means Israel !
Do you hail from the tribe of Gad, Asher, Simeon, or what?
Just what tribe are you from? Pray tell?
 

Moriah

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1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
--In the OT God called out a nation unto himself; that nation was called Israel.
--In the NT God is still calling a nation unto himself; that nation is called the church of God. It is composed of all nationalities--the redeemed in Christ Jesus both Jews and Gentiles alike. All must come to Christ the same way. All have the same purpose:

we should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

There are not separate people in Christ. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
Many people convert to Judaism. Do they hail from one of those tribes?
What do you think?
When Ruth became converted and became a Jew, she converted to the tribe of Judah (Naomi's tribe), and married Boaz (also of the tribe of Judah), and came in the ancestry of David. So the answer is yes.
 
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