Can Believers Go One Day Without Sinning?

[Moriah]

Trust me Moriah when I say, if you were to ask the brothers and sisters in my church and in my life if I preach obedience to Christ they will tell you OH YES! And I still will tell them that perfection is not an option, not even for a day.

Do you use scripture when you tell them "perfection is not an option, not even for a day? Can you supply that scripture?

 

[DHK]

You just said that he that continues to sin is of the devil, and then you said we do sin probably every day. You also did not answer my question. I asked you if it was normal for Christians to sin. I asked you if it was normal for Christians to sin daily and constantly.

I will answer in my own words not yours. I will not allow you to put words in my mouth.
It is normal for a Christian to sin every day. I do not believe a Christian can get through a day without sinning. You have demonstrated that very well on this board. You seem to be blind to this fact.
You have lied, misrepresented me, called me names, have been frustrated, have been hypocritical (implied that you could do things impossible for you to do), etc. All those sins belong to you. And yet there are more. Now do you think it is possible to go through one day without sinning? You don't do it. You didn't even get through one hour without sinning a multitude of times. Why do you expect it of others. That is hypocrisy--also a sin.

Daily? yes. Constantly? It seems like it doesn't it? But the answer is no.

John says “if.” It does not sound to me as if John believes it is normal for Christians to sin constantly.

I did not say constantly. You did. You like to put words into people's mouths. That is misrepresentation, and a sin.

Tell me, since you say that he who continues to sin is of the devil, do you continue to sin?

I do not continue to sin as that verse teaches. If you continue on a daily basis in the same kind of sin without any regard or intention of repenting, then it is of the devil. IOW, if you like to lie and misrepresent me day in and day out then that is of the devil. Hopefully you do not. Your statements such as: The ONLY thing is see is you accuse others. A total lie! This has got to stop. If this kind of accusation and personal attack goes on and on, then yes, it is of the devil. The Lord does not want it.

 

[saturneptune]

No one can go a day without sinning in thought, deed, motive, or omission. We have been through this dozens of times. I cannot understand why it continues to be a point of debate. I do not go through my life minute by minute analyzing every thought and deed. The Holy Spirit keeps me in line, and intercedes for me if I sin without knowing, and lets me know when I get off the path towards Jesus. I am more concerned about doing His will, telling others about the Gospel, and making life better for others than I am spending 24 hours worrying about myself. Jesus has taken care of that.

For those who have their eyes focused on themselves, turn your eyes around and focus on the Lord. Questions like this thread addresses are a waste of time. It sounds like the way a Pharisee would have thought instead of a Chrisitian.

If ones spends their time loving the Lord with all their heart, soul, spirit, and mind, and loving their neighbor as themselves, they to not have time to ponder such nonsense questions, and a lot less time to sin.

 

[Moriah]

I will answer in my own words not yours. I will not allow you to put words in my mouth.

You are the one who tries to do that.

It is normal for a Christian to sin every day. I do not believe a Christian can get through a day without sinning. [deleted personal attack and slander]

You admit here that you do believe that it is normal for a Christian to sin every day. So, whenever you read that I say you said that, remember that you said that.

You have lied, misrepresented me, called me names, have been frustrated, have been hypocritical (implied that you could do things impossible for you to do), etc. All those sins belong to you. And yet there are more. Now do you think it is possible to go through one day without sinning? You don't do it. You didn't even get through one hour without sinning a multitude of times. Why do you expect it of others. That is hypocrisy--also a sin.

If this does not prove you are an accuser, than what kind of speech would prove it?

I do not continue to sin as that verse teaches. If you continue on a daily basis in the same kind of sin without any regard or intention of repenting, then it is of the devil.

Do you not know that repenting means to stop committing that sin?

IOW, if you like to lie and misrepresent me day in and day out then that is of the devil. Hopefully you do not. Your statements such as: The ONLY thing is see is you accuse others. A total lie! This has got to stop. If this kind of accusation and personal attack goes on and on, then yes, it is of the devil. The Lord does not want it.

When it comes to what you say to me personally, you do falsely accuse me of sin. When it comes to what you say about what is normal for Christians, then I do hear it as advocating sin.

 

[saturneptune]

Maybe you should be afraid. There is wisdom in fearing the Lord. Jesus says if you want to remain in God’s love, then you have to obey his teachings.

As for God not throwing His children into Hell, do you believe you have to repent anymore? If you fear God, it will be easier to repent from your sins, and then you will see how pleasurable it is to fear God, when you have gotten rid of another sin in your life.

Without a doubt, you have the mindset of a Pharisee and no common sense. You really need to go back over the basics of faith, grace, trust, sin, repentence, confession, depravity, and the Gospel. Also, read first,second,and third John.

 

[Moriah]

Without a doubt, you have the mindset of a Pharisee and no common sense. You really need to go back over the basics of faith, grace, trust, sin, repentence, confession, depravity, and the Gospel. Also, read first,second,and third John.

Pharisees added to God's word, and thus nullified God's word. The Pharisees did not believe in Jesus.

 

[DHK]

If this does not prove you are an accuser, than what kind of speech would prove it?

When it comes to what you say to me personally, you do falsely accuse me of sin. When it comes to what you say about what is normal for Christians, then I do hear it as advocating sin.

In post #154 this is what you said:

I have only seen you falsely accuse, as an accuser. I have only seen you advocate sin. I have only seen you say it is natural for Christians to sin, and to sin daily and constantly.

Three times:
I have ONLY seen you falsely accuse
I have ONLY seen you advocate sin
I have ONLY seen you say...

These are the ONLY things you have ever seen me say or do, not to mention if any one statement were actually true it would make the other two statements false. Thus by elimination you have three false personal accusations. You are not even thinking straight.

 

[saturneptune]

Pharisees added to God's word, and thus nullified God's word. The Pharisees did not believe in Jesus.

That is one aspect of the problem. The main problem is spending all day, everyday, analyzing ones actions instead of doing the work of the Lord. Maybe this is a better way to look at it. If you could go one day without sinning (which you cannot) what have you proved when you sin the next day? The reason that Jesus added the thought diminsion to the ten commandments (thinking lust as a sin of adultry as much as the physical act, same with murder and hate in the heart), is that is shows the futility of not sinning on our own power. If one is worried about sinning or not sinning in a specific period of time, then that person is focused on himself, not the Lord or his neighbors.

 

[Moriah]

In post #154 this is what you said:
Three times:
I have ONLY seen you falsely accuse
I have ONLY seen you advocate sin
I have ONLY seen you say...

These are the ONLY things you have ever seen me say or do, not to mention if any one statement were actually true it would make the other two statements false. Thus by elimination you have three false personal accusations. You are not even thinking straight.

When you falsely accuse me of sin, I see you as an accuser of the brethren. When I read you saying it is normal for Christians to sin, I take that as advocating sin. When it comes to those things, I only see you doing those things. That is my beliefs.

 

[Moriah]

That is one aspect of the problem. The main problem is spending all day, everyday, analyzing ones actions instead of doing the work of the Lord. Maybe this is a better way to look at it. If you could go one day without sinning (which you cannot) what have you proved when you sin the next day? The reason that Jesus added the thought diminsion to the ten commandments (thinking lust as a sin of adultry as much as the physical act, same with murder and hate in the heart), is that is shows the futility of not sinning on our own power. If one is worried about sinning or not sinning in a specific period of time, then that person is focused on himself, not the Lord or his neighbors.

I do not know what you are trying to say.

 

[annsni]

That is one aspect of the problem. The main problem is spending all day, everyday, analyzing ones actions instead of doing the work of the Lord. Maybe this is a better way to look at it. If you could go one day without sinning (which you cannot) what have you proved when you sin the next day? The reason that Jesus added the thought diminsion to the ten commandments (thinking lust as a sin of adultry as much as the physical act, same with murder and hate in the heart), is that is shows the futility of not sinning on our own power. If one is worried about sinning or not sinning in a specific period of time, then that person is focused on himself, not the Lord or his neighbors.

Very true SN. Instead, let us keep our eyes on Christ, the author and perfector of our faith. We fall -it happens - we see our sin for what it is, grieve it, confess it and ask the Spirit to assist us in overcoming. Then we move on. Yes, I sin daily. Some days more than others but I really doubt I've ever gone through a day as perfect as the Lamb of God. It is just not going to happen - but He is my example and Who I want to please, so I try each day to do what is right. But then I get out of bed and deal with other sinful people and I fail again. That is my life. If I were able to be perfect, I would have no need for a Savior...

 

[DHK]

When you falsely accuse me of sin, I see you as an accuser of the brethren. When I read you saying it is normal for Christians to sin, I take that as advocating sin. When it comes to those things, I only see you doing those things. That is my beliefs.

You fail to answer for yourself. You made three statements, all false, all contradictory. Not one of them is true. Even if was possible for one to be true they are so worded (as absolutes), that if one were true it would automatically make the other two immediately false. So in that post you have lied three times.
Instead of looking at your sin, your lies in that post, you go on to accuse me and attack me even more. Then you say "That is my beliefs." That, my friend, is not Christianity.

 

[steaver]

Do you use scripture when you tell them "perfection is not an option, not even for a day? Can you supply that scripture?

Should we play his game?

Can you supply a scripture that says "perfection is obtainable"?

I have yet to meet a Christian who says they are perfect. If they exist, then why haven't I ever met one or even talked with one on such a board as this with thousands of members?

You even say that you are not perfect yet you advocate it is possible. Have you ever met one yet?

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Constant: ( MW online Dictionary)
1
: marked by firm steadfast resolution or faithfulness : exhibiting constancy of mind or attachment <a constant friend>
2
: invariable, uniform <a constant flow>
3
: continually occurring or recurring : regular <a constant annoyance>

HP: When one sins daily, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, such is indeed constant, i.e., "a firm steadfast resolution" that one cannot trust God , or God's promises cannot be believed to keep one from sin. When one sins 7 days a week 365 days a year, such a one is exhibiting a clear constancy of mind or attachment to sin. Certainly when one is sinning every day, 7 days a week 365 days a year, one is sinning on a regular recurring basis. Try convincing even a human judge, or ones spouse for that matter, that one is repentant for something they do everyday, or that one is not doing something constantly when they openly admit to doing it 7 days a week 365 days a year,.... let alone the Judge of the Universe.

Here are just a few Scriptures that any honest seeker of the truth might consider.

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Act 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Php 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Php 1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.

Ti 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Psa 119:9 BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
Psa 119:10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Ann: That is my life. If I were able to be perfect, I would have no need for a Savior...

HP: With no intended disrespect for Ann, I will say that such a comment is an often abused sentiment that is completely without merit or application. There is not one of us that would not agree that all have sinned and came short of the glory of God. There is not one of us that would not agree that once we have sinned, there is absolutely NOTHING any could do to merit eternal life. For Ann to suggest that if someone that feels that once they are saved, IF they will trust God for daily help and aide that they can keep themselves from habitual daily sin with God's proffered help, is somehow suggesting they do not or did not need a Savior, is putting up a paper duck to shoot at that in effect is applicable to no one and is not applicable to anyones theology.

Such comments are absolutely meaningless and add nothing of substance to this discussion or any other.

 

[saturneptune]

HP: When one sins daily, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, such is indeed constant, i.e., "a firm steadfast resolution" that one cannot trust God , or God's promises cannot be believed to keep one from sin. When one sins 7 days a week 365 days a year, such a one is exhibiting a clear constancy of mind or attachment to sin. Certainly when one is sinning every day, 7 days a week 365 days a year, one is sinning on a regular recurring basis. Try convincing even a human judge, or ones spouse for that matter, that one is repentant for something they do everyday, or that one is not doing something constantly when they openly admit to doing it 7 days a week 365 days a year,.... let alone the Judge of the Universe.

Here are just a few Scritures that any honest seeker of the truth might consider.

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Act 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Php 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Php 1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.

Ti 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Psa 119:9 BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
Psa 119:10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

So if you could (which you cannot) get through a day without sinning, and only sin every ten days, how are you different than someone who sins everyday? As said above, someone who spends all their time thinking about themselves instead of doing the Lord's will and helping others is sinning anyhow. No doubt you know what John says about those who say they have no sin. We are not even aware of all sins, which is why the Holy Spirit intercedes for us. Instead of trying to prove something to the Judge of the Universe, why not let God be God, let Christ be Christ, and the Spirit be the Spirit, and do Their work, which is forgiving our sins. We are suppose to be doing the will of the Lord, which is telling others about Jesus and uplifting our fellow Christians. The purpose of being a Christian is not to make a sin list, check it twice and find out who is naughty or nice. I believe Santa Claus does that.

 

[saturneptune]

HP: With no intended disrespect for Ann, I will say that such a comment is an often abused sentiment that is completely without merit or application. There is not one of us that would not agree that all have sinned and came short of the glory of God. There is not one of us that would not agree that once we have sinned, there is absolutely NOTHING any could do to merit eternal life. For Ann to suggest that if someone that feels that once they are saved, IF they will trust God for daily help and aide that they can keep themselves from habitual daily sin with God's proffered help, is somehow suggesting they do not or did not need a Savior, is putting up a paper duck to shoot at that in effect is applicable to no one and is not applicable to anyones theology.

Such comments are absolutely meaningless and add nothing of substance to this discussion or any other.

Baloney, no one said the day to day sin was habitual, blatant sin. It is probably a thought or motive that is not in line with the will of God. Each person is different. You are painting a picture of something like a Christian staggering drunk every day of his or her life, or someone comitting murder every day. That is a total misstating of her post. You are in the same boat if you have one unclean thought, unpure motive, known or not known to you, one day later, two days later, sixteen days later, or three months later. It seems to me your standards are very me myself and I.

 

[DHK]

HP: When one sins daily, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, such is indeed constant, i.e., "a firm steadfast resolution" that one cannot trust God , or God's promises cannot be believed to keep one from sin. When one sins 7 days a week 365 days a year, such a one is exhibiting a clear constancy of mind or attachment to sin. Certainly when one is sinning every day, 7 days a week 365 days a year, one is sinning on a regular recurring basis. Try convincing even a human judge, or ones spouse for that matter, that one is repentant for something they do everyday, or that one is not doing something constantly when they openly admit to doing it 7 days a week 365 days a year,.... let alone the Judge of the Universe.

Here are just a few Scritures that any honest seeker of the truth might consider.

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Act 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Php 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Php 1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.

Ti 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Psa 119:9 BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
Psa 119:10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Hebrews 13:21 make you complete in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

The word "perfect" simply means "complete". It is the Greek word, teleios, and the meaning has the sense of complete or mature.

You have provided no evidence that one can live a sinless life.
It's good Scripture, often quoted out of context and misunderstood.

 

[Moriah]

HP: With no intended disrespect for Ann, I will say that such a comment is an often abused sentiment that is completely without merit or application. There is not one of us that would not agree that all have sinned and came short of the glory of God. There is not one of us that would not agree that once we have sinned, there is absolutely NOTHING any could do to merit eternal life. For Ann to suggest that if someone that feels that once they are saved, IF they will trust God for daily help and aide that they can keep themselves from habitual daily sin with God's proffered help, is somehow suggesting they do not or did not need a Savior, is putting up a paper duck to shoot at that in effect is applicable to no one and is not applicable to anyones theology.

Such comments are absolutely meaningless and add nothing of substance to this discussion or any other.

What you say here is right on. One can hardly move along in this debate with acknowledging that fact.

 

[The Biblicist]

What you say here is right on. One can hardly move along in this debate with acknowledging that fact.

What HP said is false and rediculous! BTW Moriah you have sinned twice today already because twice you have falsely accused me of stating that no one but Christ every walked on water when I never defended any such thing.

Now, concerning HP's imaginative doctrine, God never promises any child of God that he will help them live sinless! That is pure imagination. Progressive sanctification has nothing to do with living sinlessly but in growing progressively in grace and knowledge. Paul repudiates this silly and unrealistic false doctrine clearly and explicitly and plainly in Philippians 3:12-14 denying that he has ever "attained" being "perfect" or without sin in this present life.

Moreover, both of you prove you do not live sinlessly every time you write on this forum as expousing false doctrine of demons is sin. Making false accusations as Moriah has done twice today is sin. Pride that will not admit the truth when openly exposed is sin.