Well, Gods ways are far above your ways...and He says building up your selves on your most holy faith, PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST!
You are referring to Jude 1:20. Let me say this. I just finished preaching through the Book of Jude last September. I started in the beginning of February. It took me 8 months to preach through those 25 verses. There is no commentary that I came across anywhere that suggest what you are suggesting. Jude does not suggest anything about praying in tongues. Everyone of us are commanded to pray in the Holy Spirit. One of the best and most well written articles on that passage was by Spurgeon:
Praying in the Holy Ghost is praying in fervency. Cold prayers ask the Lord not to hear them. Those who do not plead with fervency, plead not at all. As well speak of lukewarm fire as of lukewarm prayer--it is essential that it be red hot. It is praying perseveringly. The true suppliant gathers force as he proceeds, and grows more fervent when God delays to answer. The longer the gate is closed, the more vehemently does he use the knocker, and the longer the angel lingers the more resolved is he that he will never let him go without the blessing. Beautiful in God's sight is tearful, agonizing, unconquerable importunity. It means praying humbly, for the Holy Spirit never puffs us up with pride. It is His office to convince of sin, and so to bow us down in contrition and brokenness of spirit. We shall never sing Gloria in excelsis except we pray to God De profundis: out of the depths must we cry, or we shall never behold glory in the highest. It is loving prayer. Prayer should be perfumed with love, saturated with love--love to our fellow saints, and love to Christ. Moreover, it must be a prayer full of faith. A man prevails only as he believes. The Holy Spirit is the author of faith, and strengthens it, so that we pray believing God's promise. O that this blessed combination of excellent graces, priceless and sweet as the spices of the merchant, might be fragrant within us because the Holy Ghost is in our hearts! Most blessed Comforter, exert Thy mighty power within us, helping our infirmities in prayer.
Others said the same thing, but far more succinct--as in one or two sentences.
Here you go again..calling God's gift gibberish! Are you saying God does not know every language? My faith is in God that gave us the Holy Spirit...which is the Spirit that gives the utterance! The part in bold I have already covered over and over!
First, you DO speak gibberish.
Second, gibberish is not a gift of God, you just are deceived in thinking it is. For 1900 years no one spoke this gibberish except pagans and cults. It is not a Christian practice.
God does know every language. Gibberish is not a language, not even by the most advanced and scholarly linguistics standards. It is proven that it is simply nonsense syllables run together. No one can understand that which is completely incomprehensible, not even God.
You have blind faith, not in God, but in the gibberish that you speak, that it is from God, when it is not.
No, you have failed to understand! Paul calls it praying in the spirit! speaking to God, magnifying God! I can do this in private! With my understanding and with the spirit.
No one called gibberish praying in the spirit.
No one called speaking in languages praying in the spirit either.
On both counts you are wrong.
Furthermore, ALL gifts were given for the edification of the ENTIRE body.
Do you think God would give you the gift of healing, for example, to go home and heal yourself, just yourself! In the same way speaking other languages was never intended for your own private use. It was to the edification of the entire body.
where I have to know the language! Not your opinion! I trust God and His Word over your opinion!
I have shown you scripture. You keep on rejecting it. What was the gift that was given on the Day of Pentecost? It was tongues. That was the miracle. They spoke in other languages. They knew what they were saying, otherwise they couldn't speak it. For example if they were going to recite Psalm 8 or comment on it in Arabic, they would have to think in Arabic first in order to express themselves before opening their mouths. That was the ability that God gave them.
Nowhere does it say they understood! I have shown you over and over that! IF they understood they would not have to pray for an interpretation!
What do you think "gift of languages" mean. If I, as a missionary, were given the gift of languages, then I wouldn't have to learn the language of the country I go to, correct? Think it through.
Letting the Holy Spirit give you the utterance...is also a purpose! Speaking to God is prayer!
You get hung up on those 25 cent words like utterance and manifestation don't you. You need more simple language that you can understand.
Acts 2:4 They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other languages, as the Spirit gave them
the ability to speak. WEB
"utterance" = "the ability to speak"
They had the ability to speak the language that God gave them; the ability to understand and therefore speak.
NO, you did not explain why we need an interpreter if we know the language! There is a difference in interpretation and translation! We do not know what we are speaking..vs. 2 and vs 13 of Corinthians 14 prove that!
There were always two language groups present.
Paul preached in synagogues.
It was a sign to the Jews (one language group) -Hebrew)
In a city like Corinth there were often people traveling from other nations where they may not have spoken Greek--another language group. Tongues would be spoken for their sake and translated back into Greek.
God does not like you calling His gift gibberish!
Gibberish is the devil's gift. Why do you persist in speaking it?
Spiritual things have to be spiritually discerned! You are trying to reason this out in your mind!
I stand on the Word of God. Tongues ceased. What you speak no one can understand. It is pure gibberish.
Ask God to reveal the truth to your spirit!
He already has.
I have given every scripture that He has brought to my mind concerning tongues! Vs. 2 does not say that God does not understand!
Verse two is a rebuke to those that have the ability to speak in tongues or languages. He tells them don't do it.
Paul did not say say it was selfish when interpretated! I pray for the interpretation! God honors His Word!
But you don't get interpretation. What languages do you speak in?
Actual languages do have understanding, but only if they are interpreted for the benefit of all. If there is no interpretation then your spirit prays, and your understanding is limited. You always understand more in your own language. Therefore pray in your own language and your own understanding.
You need to read that again! Praying in the spirit is the one that he says you give thanks well! ...but the others are not edified! So if I pray in public without the interpretation it is of no use to the congregation! BUT NO WHERE IN SCRIPTURES DOES IT SAY I CAN NOT PRAY IN PRIVATE...WHETHER IN THE SPIRIT OR MY UNDERSTATNDING!
Where does it say you can heal in private, do miracles in private, etc.
Every gift was given for the edification of the entire body.
You limit the gifts of God to just your understanding! I have shown over and over that it is praying! Can He use it for a sign? Yes! Can He use it for the Apostles? Yes! But I do not limit Him on how He wants to manifest!
Not a single verse have you given me.
NO, it is Biblical! I trust His word over what past churches have done! Denomination after denomination has failed God! THere unbelief in His Word is pathetic! God is raising up a bride that will worship Him in Spirit and Truth...one that will be walking in His power! He is not coming after a hag! He is coming for a glorious church! The lukewarm churches he will spew out of His mouth! God is going to shake everything in the Last Days! The End time church is called to conquer!
PENTECOST DID NOT END IN THE FIRST CENTURY...THE LAST DAYS ARE UPON US! The church will be revived not divided! God will pour out His Spirit, release (manifest) His gifts, and send the saving message of Jesus's cross to the ends of the earth!
You deny 1900 years of Christian history and put your trust in a movement that started in 1905, a movement that started to speak gibberish back then, a phenomena known only to paganism and extreme cults. And then you try to convince us that it is of God. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds??
