Can one lose their salvation?

[Van]

My use of Romans 8 in the context of that post was to demonstrate that "JUSTIFIED" and "GLORIFIED" were two different things ... nothing more and nothing less. I do not believe in loss of salvation, nor was I attempting to convince you of any "Particular Baptist" point of theology. I was merely defining common terms for truths found in scripture.

• People do transition from "sinners" to "saints" through Christ (that IS Justification ... HOWEVER IT HAPPENS).
• People are "transformed by the renewing of their minds" during their lifetimes (that IS Sanctification ... HOWEVER IT HAPPENS).
• People will be made perfect in Heaven (that IS Glorification ... HOWEVER IT HAPPENS).

The terms have long accepted meanings. Redefining the meaning of those terms tends to just create confusion.

LOL, was the fact that justified and glorified are two different things in dispute? Nope

No verse says people "transition" from sinners to saints. When God places a sinner into Christ, and the individual undergoes the washing of regeneration, that makes the individual a saint, in every sense of the word.

No one who has studied the word's use in scripture, believes sanctification only refers to being made holy, as it also means to be set apart for God's purpose. See 2 Thessalonians 2:13, where individuals are chosen through or my means of sanctification.

Calvinists deny the tense of glorified is past, therefore those born anew have been glorified.

 

[JesusFan]

LOL, was the fact that justified and glorified are two different things in dispute? Nope

No verse says people "transition" from sinners to saints. When God places a sinner into Christ, and the individual undergoes the washing of regeneration, that makes the individual a saint, in every sense of the word.

No one who has studied the word's use in scripture, believes sanctification only refers to being made holy, as it also means to be set apart for God's purpose. See 2 Thessalonians 2:13, where individuals are chosen through or my means of sanctification.

Calvinists deny the tense of glorified is past, therefore those born anew have been glorified.

We are yet to be glorified, as that awaiting Second Coming, but are fully justified and saved and adopted right now!

 

[Van]

We are yet to be glorified, as that awaiting Second Coming, but are fully justified and saved and adopted right now!

Romans 8:30 (NASB)
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

Here we see the verb "glorified" is a done deal, completed. Pay no attention to those who suppress the truth.

 

[JesusFan]

Romans 8:30 (NASB)
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

Here we see the verb "glorified" is a done deal, completed. Pay no attention to those who suppress the truth.

To God, yes, but not to us until we have a glorifed resurrected body!

 

[Van]

To God, yes, but not to us until we have a glorifed resurrected body!

Once again a Calvinist openly denies the bible means what it says. This is suppressing the truth.

 

[JesusFan]

Once again a Calvinist openly denies the bible means what it says. This is suppressing the truth.

We shall be glorified when Second Coming happens is per the Bible!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

if a person can lose salvation, they have conditional life. Not eternal life.

God does not promise conditional life. He promises eternal life.

Salvation is also not based on our work. but the work of Christ.

those claiming we can lose salvation claim God will not keep his word. and we have to work for our own salvation.

 

[atpollard]

We are yet to be glorified, as that awaiting Second Coming, but are fully justified and saved and adopted right now!

Your efforts are wasted on a heart intent on being pedantic rather than engaging in dialog. Van is not listening, merely waiting to speak.

 

[atpollard]

LOL, was the fact that justified and glorified are two different things in dispute?

Nope. You jumped right from

• creating your own brand new terms,
• to making false accusations against me of advancing some false ‘Calvinist doctrine’ by misusing Romans 8, when I attempted to define the historic terms
• To now employing ridicule against my attempt to correct your misreading of my post.

God bless you and keep you (far away from me).
- Fiddler on the Roof

 

[Van]

We shall be glorified when Second Coming happens is per the Bible!

No matter what the Bible says, Calvinists make alternate claims.

 

[Van]

Nope. You jumped right from

• creating your own brand new terms,
• to making false accusations against me of advancing some false ‘Calvinist doctrine’ by misusing Romans 8, when I attempted to define the historic terms
• To now employing ridicule against my attempt to correct your misreading of my post.

God bless you and keep you (far away from me).
- Fiddler on the Roof

Always Calvinists engage in one false charge after another with no quotes. Did I create the terms, positional sanctification, progressive sanctification or ultimate sanctification? Google them.
What is positional sanctification? | GotQuestions.org
The Three Phases of Sanctification

 

[atpollard]

Always Calvinists engage in one false charge after another with no quotes. Did I create the terms, positional sanctification, progressive sanctification or ultimate sanctification? Google them.
What is positional sanctification? | GotQuestions.org
The Three Phases of Sanctification

Now I know why so many ignore you, you are exhausting.

 

[Van]

Now I know why so many ignore you, you are exhausting.

The usual Calvinist fall back, hurl a false charge.

 

[Guido]

if a person can lose salvation, they have conditional life. Not eternal life.

God does not promise conditional life. He promises eternal life.

Salvation is also not based on our work. but the work of Christ.

those claiming we can lose salvation claim God will not keep his word. and we have to work for our own salvation.

John 11:26

Once a person believes, they will never die. That is eternal security. Two words: Never and die.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John 11:26

Once a person believes, they will never die. That is eternal security. Two words: Never and die.

Amen! goes right along with eternal (everlasting) and life. (john 3)

And john 6 shows both truths. we will never die and we have eternal life.

 

[AustinC]

if a person can lose salvation, they have conditional life. Not eternal life.

God does not promise conditional life. He promises eternal life.

Salvation is also not based on our work. but the work of Christ.

those claiming we can lose salvation claim God will not keep his word. and we have to work for our own salvation.

Can a person gain their salvation by their free will choice, yet not lose their salvation by their free will choice?

Amen! goes right along with eternal (everlasting) and life. (john 3)

And john 6 shows both truths. we will never die and we have eternal life.

How do you reconcile this with free will?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Can a person gain their salvation by their free will choice, yet not lose their salvation by their free will choice?


How do you reconcile this with free will?

That assumes a person who truly repented and understood how bankrupt they were. And experienced Gods love and forgiveness, and the power and love which comes from it would want to chose to give it all up. It also states God is not a very trustworthy person. Because we only lose faiht in people who fail us. Does God fail people?

People who leave and now deny christ, As john said, they were never of is, if they were of us they never would have left.

It does not refute free will at all. Those who leave leave because they never had true faith in God to begin with. They had belief in something they thought was real. And realised it was nt real. Thats why they leave.

I have seen it countless times.

 

[kyredneck]

Now I know why so many ignore you, you are exhausting.

The usual Calvinist fall back, hurl a false charge.

You should try listening for a change because he's right, your Calvinist Derangement Syndrome is very wearisome. I bet you'd be a cool guy to know if you could only stifle the obsession.

 

[JonC]

I look at it this way - if you could lose your salvation then it wouldn't be salvation.

 

[AustinC]

That assumes a person who truly repented and understood how bankrupt they were. And experienced Gods love and forgiveness, and the power and love which comes from it would want to chose to give it all up. It also states God is not a very trustworthy person. Because we only lose faiht in people who fail us. Does God fail people?

People who leave and now deny christ, As john said, they were never of is, if they were of us they never would have left.

It does not refute free will at all. Those who leave leave because they never had true faith in God to begin with. They had belief in something they thought was real. And realised it was nt real. Thats why they leave.

I have seen it countless times.

You must, at minimum, give room for a free will choice to reject Jesus after having a free will choice to accept Jesus.
When God gives Satan the right to destroy your life and your body, do you have the capacity to curse God, reject him, and die?

I expect that free will must, consistently, state that a person can accept and reject Jesus...at will.