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can someone who hold to Lordship salvation define it?
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no, its the bibilcal truth that it is GOD the father who ALREADY has placed jesus over as as our Lord and saviour, its just we grow into more understanding and surrendering our lifes unto that truth the more mature we get, longer walking with Him!
Jesus knows that he is my Lord, yet are times when ALLof us deny that to some degree at times, isnt there?
Apostle paul commands us to be filled with the Holy spirit, so its something God desires ALL those saved to do, but at times ALL of us quench Him, fail to submit to Him, ignore His conviction, and at that times we do NOT have jesus as "Lord of our lives", so do we keep getting saved and lost then?
NO Christian in their right mind would want to reject Jesus directing/leading/guiding/empowering us thru the holy spirit, yet we ALL do at times!
Its that pesky thing called flesh/sin principle!
I don't believe in that kind of nonsense theology.
"God doesn't have to make anyone do anything, and he doesn't!!!"
He is not forcing you to post on here is he? Why do you assume he is MAKING people or forcing anyone to do anything?
Once a person hears the gospel it is his choice to believe it or not to believe based on what he has heard. Faith is confidence in the Word that he heard. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Is he confident that what he heard is true and will save him, forgive him, and give him eternal life? If so, then he will trust Christ as Savior.
For by grace are ye saved through faith...
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God.
Romans 4:20 (Abraham) staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
--Verse 21 gives a good definition of faith.
Abraham was fully persuaded what God had promised God would do.
Faith is confidence in the word of another; in this case the Word of God.
We are saved by faith; faith in the promises of the Word of God (the gospel), that it will save.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
--God doesn't force anyone. He doesn't make anyone believe. That is utter nonsense.
OldRegular
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A few interesting facts about the Lord Jesus Christ in the New Testament!
OldRegular
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I believe that is called Sanctification, is it not?
OK..... here is the bonus question then. Does a person simply have to believe in the deity of Christ, or does he also have to embrace and affirm the substitutionary nature of the atonement in order to be finally saved?:smilewinkgrin:
You agreed with this statement Icon.
God-given faith is the result of the new birth/salvation.
God does not give faith as a requirement for salvation or regeneration. The Bible doesn't teach that. Nowhere does the Bible teach that God gives faith to the unsaved. Faith is defined both as a spiritual gift and as fruit of the Spirit, both of which God would never give to the unsaved/unregenerate. For one to take that position is ludicrous.
The plethora of Scripture which commands us to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved," means to "believe," "have faith," which is our faith not God's faith. One believes with their own faith not God's faith. The statement would not even make sense would it?
It doesn't say:
"Believe (with the faith of Jesus) on the Lord Jesus..."
Why read into Scripture that which is not there?
convicted1
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Faith is the evidence that God has begun a work that only He can accomplish...
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
All these verses show it is God who initiates and accomplishes salvation for those who are His sheep.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
All these verses show it is God who initiates and accomplishes salvation for those who are His sheep.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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Yes it is, not "Lordship salvation" as it happens after salvation has occurred. Many on here want sanctification to be instant and complete. It isn't.
Yes, but many in Lordship area sees us required to have finished saunctification status to be really saved!
Where didi jesus or ANY Apostle say to be saved by Him, have to submit fully to Him right when converted?
peter told us to work it out, to make our election and calling sure, is that "lordship?"
the Holy spirit works to have the sinner perceive and realise just whom jesus really is, so yes to him being God, but no to that atonement view, as while penal IS best view, not only one considered to be able to be held within orthodoxy....
That is a nice philosophy, I suppose.
But you can't teach it from the Bible because it ain't there.
This is backwards. Man has the responsibility to respond to Christ, even as Paul responded to the Lord on the way to Damascus. He called him Lord. He submitted to him. He said "Lord what will you have me to do." Only after submitting to him as Lord, or calling upon him, did Christ change his heart; not before. Before then he was on a mission to kill Christians.
Yeshua1 will endlessly post Calvinist cliche's. He will never offer a single verse to support any of his statements, because as you said, "they ain"t there".
You can't be regenerated while you are still dead in sin, and you can't have your sins forgiven until you believe on Jesus. This is plain LOGIC. Faith MUST precede regeneration.
Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Dozens of scriptures all show you must believe before you can be regenerated and have life, but Yeshua1 will endlessly repeat falsehoods anyway.
could you show 1 or 2 examples of anyone who says this
OldRegular
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What are you talking about? If you are not dead in sin you would not need to be regenerated or "born again" as the Lord Jesus Christ said or "made alive" as the Apostle Paul said.
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