Catholic Who Embraced Jesus As Lord And Savior

[Adonia]

Hello Walter,
It has plenty of factual information that is exactly correct. Having been raised RC. I was shocked to discover many of those things .Much of church teaching is not found in scripture.
Certainly popes fathering child out of wedlock was not a biblical concept.
Purgatory, saints, Mary as co mediatrix,priests, saints, indulgences, rosary beads scapular, stations of the cross,God parents,etc...are you sure about your statement my friend?

Pray tell me brother, what is the big problem with the Stations of the Cross? Good grief, it is a prayer, a devotion done by the faithful in which we accompany in spirit Jesus Christ from the first accusation against Him before Pontius Pilate to the Crucifixion. I don't know which bible you are reading, but mine tells me that very same story. Are devotions concerning Jesus Christ and what happened to Him during His life not allowed?

 

[Adonia]

The Roman Church has another Jesus and another gospel.
2 Corinthians 11:4.

You folks get more ridiculous with your accusations by the day. There is but one Jesus Christ and His gospel is salvation for all men by His crucifixion. That is the crux of our worship, His sacrifice on the altar, not the pulpit which is your focal point.

 

[Adonia]

That book is bunk

The Mass, the Temple, and Loraine Boettner | Catholic Answers

I love it when former evangelical minister Dr. Scott Hahn describes being at his first Mass. He knew exactly what was happening as he was very familiar with the Scriptures, and it was the Bible come alive he said.

 

[Yeshua1]

You folks get more ridiculous with your accusations by the day. There is but one Jesus Christ and His gospel is salvation for all men by His crucifixion. That is the crux of our worship, His sacrifice on the altar, not the pulpit which is your focal point.

You worship another Jesus though, and teach another Gospel!

 

[John Yurich]

The Roman Church has another Jesus and another gospel.
2 Corinthians 11:4.

That is the most insane comment. The Catholic Church does not have a different Jesus. And it teaches a different salvation plan. The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like a false Jesus? I have always worshipped the biblical and historical Jesus as God.

 

[Walter]

You worship another Jesus though, and teach another Gospel!

Same Jesus! A biblical Gospel

That is the most insane comment. The Catholic Church does not have a different Jesus. And it teaches a different salvation plan. The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like a false Jesus? I have always worshipped the biblical and historical Jesus as God.

I know! You get used to this sort of posting though. It is absurd, but some of them really believe that the Jesus I worshiped as a Baptist is not the same Jesus I worship as a Catholic. I guess they think I never really had a relationships with Jesus Christ while a Baptist and/or cannot recognize the 'false Catholic Jesus' as being Satanic. It really boils down to that.

 

[37818]

You folks get more ridiculous with your accusations by the day. There is but one Jesus Christ and His gospel is salvation for all men by His crucifixion. That is the crux of our worship, His sacrifice on the altar, not the pulpit which is your focal point.

You claim here "His sacrifice on the altar." Which from the Apostolic authority of the New Testament is no where to be found. Hence another gospel another Jesus.

Jesus the Christ finished His sacrifice on he cross prior to His physical death (John 19:28-30; Luke 23:46; Hebrews 10:10).

 

[37818]

That is the most insane comment. The Catholic Church does not have a different Jesus. And it teaches a different salvation plan. The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like a false Jesus? I have always worshipped the biblical and historical Jesus as God.

Ok. A couple things here. Their different plan of salvation constitutes another gospel, in denying the finished work of the cross. And a the notion of the real body and blood of Jesus in the remembrance of His death constitutes another Jesus.

Now the Apostle Paul who wrote warning the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 11:4) warned the Galatian church about the Judaizers teaching "another gospel: Which is not another; . . ." (Galatians 1:6-7).

And my argument is against the Roman Catholic state church not against any individual genuine Christian who is Roman Catholic. Neither attending "Roman Catholic" nor "Baptist" churches is what makes a person saved or not.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

You claim here "His sacrifice on the altar." Which from the Apostolic authority of the New Testament is no where to be found. Hence another gospel another Jesus.

Jesus the Christ finished His sacrifice on he cross prior to His physical death (John 19:28-30; Luke 23:46; Hebrews 10:10).

First of all, (but a number) I am only answer your absurd claims in order that if any with commonsense read your people's answers can get further understanding from mine . Mine are guided by the Holy Spirit, because they are put upon my heart, biblical quote and all. That is why I answer so concisely . "The offering of the first fruits' I bring this up because as Christ said not one jot or letter of the law will go unfilled.

The sacrifice on the altar:
Sharing in the Lord's Supper 1Corinthians 11:25-27
…25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26(For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.) 27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.…

Why upon the altar? It is called an offering of the first fruits, which was part of the law and was a practice of OC Hebrews. Christ is upholding the offering of first fruits . He is the first fruit.The Order of Resurrection 1 Corinthians
19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. 20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.…

Hence, why Orthodox and Catholics do present Him upon the altar (HE IS THE OFFERING OF THE FIRST FRUITS). They are proclaiming the Lord's death until he comes. Not only that HE IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS TO BE OFFERED BECAUSE HE IS THE FINAL SACRIFICE FOR ALL. The Word of the Lord. As I said ,the Catholics hold the Dogma of the faith Protestants do not, even with all their SOLA SCRIPTURA. The Orthodox do as well. You reject the Dogma , which is the the law laid down by the AUTHORITY -CHRIST. Yes both the Catholic and Orthodox have some FALSELY DEFINED TITLES AND DOCTRINES , but they do not reject the LETTER OF THE LAW OF CHRIST as you people do. They therefore, with all their error, will always be in a better position than you people.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Ok. A couple things here. Their different plan of salvation constitutes another gospel, in denying the finished work of the cross. And a the notion of the real body and blood of Jesus in the remembrance of His death constitutes another Jesus.

Now the Apostle Paul who wrote warning the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 11:4) warned the Galatian church about the Judaizers teaching "another gospel: Which is not another; . . ." (Galatians 1:6-7).

And my argument is against the Roman Catholic state church not against any individual genuine Christian who is Roman Catholic. Neither attending "Roman Catholic" nor "Baptist" churches is what makes a person saved or not.

1 Corinthians 11:26(For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, (YOU PROCLAIM THE LORD'S DEATH) until He comes.)
Again, UPON THE ALTAR, HE IS THE FIRST FRUIT OFFERING! The Catholics and Orthodox uphold the TRUE JESUS. YOUR PEOPLE , if we base things on your argument , uphold another"christ" and honor demons because of your ANTI CHRIST DOCTRINE! YOU PEOPLE DEVISE A DIFFERENT GOSPEL! You are of the same spirit of jezebel she wanted to RULE OVER ISRAEL. You will NOT! Christ is her KING!

 

[OfLivingWaters]

You claim here "His sacrifice on the altar." Which from the Apostolic authority of the New Testament is no where to be found. Hence another gospel another Jesus.

Jesus the Christ finished His sacrifice on he cross prior to His physical death (John 19:28-30; Luke 23:46; Hebrews 10:10).

You must have over looked the Apostle ST PAUL, gotta love him. He is always smashing and trashing heretics!

 

[37818]

First of all, (but a number) I am only answer your absurd claims in order that if any with commonsense read your people's answers can get further understanding from mine . Mine are guided by the Holy Spirit, because they are put upon my heart, biblical quote and all. That is why I answer so concisely . "The offering of the first fruits' I bring this up because as Christ said not one jot or letter of the law will go unfilled.

The sacrifice on the altar:
Sharing in the Lord's Supper 1Corinthians 11:25-27
…25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26(For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.) 27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.…

Why upon the altar? It is called an offering of the first fruits, which was part of the law and was a practice of OC Hebrews. Christ is upholding the offering of first fruits . He is the first fruit.The Order of Resurrection 1 Corinthians
19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. 20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.…

Hence, why Orthodox and Catholics do present Him upon the altar (HE IS THE OFFERING OF THE FIRST FRUITS). They are proclaiming the Lord's death until he comes. Not only that HE IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS TO BE OFFERED BECAUSE HE IS THE FINAL SACRIFICE FOR ALL. The Word of the Lord. As I said ,the Catholics hold the Dogma of the faith Protestants do not, even with all their SOLA SCRIPTURA. The Orthodox do as well. You reject the Dogma , which is the the law laid down by the AUTHORITY -CHRIST. Yes both the Catholic and Orthodox have some FALSELY DEFINED TITLES AND DOCTRINES , but they do not reject the LETTER OF THE LAW OF CHRIST as you people do. They therefore, with all their error, will always be in a better position than you people.

Everyone check carefully what @OfLivingWaters wrote here.

The Apostle Paul referring to Christ as the "firstfruit" 1 Corinthians 15:23, has to do with the order of the resurrections, nothing about a sacrifice on the altar.

And there is nothing about a sacrifice on the altar anywhere in regards to the Lord's remembrance in the NT.

 

[37818]

You must have over looked the Apostle ST PAUL, gotta love him. He is always smashing and trashing heretics!

Cite it.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

First of all, (but a number) I am only answer your absurd claims in order that if any with commonsense read your people's answers can get further understanding from mine . Mine are guided by the Holy Spirit, because they are put upon my heart, biblical quote and all. That is why I answer so concisely . "The offering of the first fruits' I bring this up because as Christ said not one jot or letter of the law will go unfilled.

The sacrifice on the altar:
Sharing in the Lord's Supper 1Corinthians 11:25-27
…25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26(For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.) 27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.…

Why upon the altar? It is called an offering of the first fruits, which was part of the law and was a practice of OC Hebrews. Christ is upholding the offering of first fruits . He is the first fruit.The Order of Resurrection 1 Corinthians
19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. 20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.…

Hence, why Orthodox and Catholics do present Him upon the altar (HE IS THE OFFERING OF THE FIRST FRUITS). They are proclaiming the Lord's death until he comes. Not only that HE IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS TO BE OFFERED BECAUSE HE IS THE FINAL SACRIFICE FOR ALL. The Word of the Lord. As I said ,the Catholics hold the Dogma of the faith Protestants do not, even with all their SOLA SCRIPTURA. The Orthodox do as well. You reject the Dogma , which is the the law laid down by the AUTHORITY -CHRIST. Yes both the Catholic and Orthodox have some FALSELY DEFINED TITLES AND DOCTRINES , but they do not reject the LETTER OF THE LAW OF CHRIST as you people do. They therefore, with all their error, will always be in a better position than you people.

And now I will further expound upon what I have been saying . Rev14. These are first fruits unto the lamb, This 144, 000 are redeemed from among the gentiles nations, They are called out from catholic and Orthodox denominations and are given increase in knowledge and will have all the FALSE doctrines of "fathers in law" of the denominations they fellowship and have grown in ,removed from them. They are being PERFECTED hence, REDEEMED FROM AMONG MEN (mankind). They are those who have not been defiled by women (false churches) and will increase in learning. They are the Virgin Mary's suggestion to the Lord, and the mystery of this is revealed in the Wedding feast at Canaan. They , regardless if they fully understand all her messages or titles have never forsaken her as their mother. For they know how blessed she is and if she is the Mother of the God Son she is mother of the body in Him. For she cannot be mother to the HEAD and not the body. THE WORD OF THE LORD!

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Everyone check carefully what @OfLivingWaters wrote here..

The Apostle Paul referring to Christ as the "firstfruit" 1 Corinthians 15:23, has to do with the order of the resurrections, nothing about a sacrifice on the altar.

And there is nothing about a sacrifice on the altar any where in regards to the Lord's remembrance.

Everybody take a look at what this heretic overlooks. NOT ONE JOT OR LETTER OF THE LAW WILL GO UNFULFILLED , I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT FULFILL" . PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Hence, HE IS THE FINAL SACRIFICE! HE IS THE ONLY SACRIFICE TO BE PRESENTED! The Priest of the Catholic and ORTHODOX church uphold Christ, PERIOD!

 

[37818]

And now I will further expound upon what I have been saying . Rev14. These are first fruits unto the lamb, This 144, 000 are redeemed from among the gentiles nations, They are called out from catholic and Orthodox denominations and are given increase in knowledge and will have all the FALSE doctrines of "fathers in law" of the denominations they fellowship and have grown in ,removed from them. They are being PERFECTED hence, REDEEMED FROM AMONG MEN (mankind). They are those who have not been defiled by women (false churches) and will increase in learning. They are the Virgin Mary's suggestion to the Lord, and the mystery of this is revealed in the Wedding feast at Canaan. They , regardless if they fully understand all her messages or titles have never forsaken her as their mother. For they know how blessed she is and if she is the Mother of the God Son she is mother of the body in Him. For she cannot be mother to the HEAD and not the body. THE WORD OF THE LORD!

Again, absolutely nothing regarding a sacrifice upon an alter in the Lord's remembrance of His death in the NT.

 

[37818]

Everybody take a look at what this heretic overlooks. NOT ONE JOT OR LETTER OF THE LAW WILL GO UNFULFILLED , I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT FULFILL" . PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Hence, HE IS THE FINAL SACRIFICE! HE IS THE ONLY SACRIFICE TO BE PRESENTED! The Priest of the Catholic and ORTHODOX church uphold Christ, PERIOD!

Again, absolutely nothing about a sacrifice upon an alter regarding the Lord's remembrance of His death is to be found in the NT.

1 John 3:4.
James 2:10.
Galatians 2:21

 

[OfLivingWaters]

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Again, absolutely nothing regarding a sacrifice upon an alter in the Lord's remembrance of His death in the NT.

Oh so are you saying the Lord is a LIAR when He says I have not come to destroy or abolish but to FULFILL? Was it not a law that the Hebrews present their first fruit offering UPON THE ALTAR , according to the OC? Does not Paul say He is the LAST AND FINAL SACRIFICE? Does Paul not say we must 1 Corinthians 11:26(For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, (YOU PROCLAIM THE LORD'S DEATH) until He comes.) Since Christ is of the Oder of Melchizedek, whom came out of the city to greet Abraham after the slaughter of the kings, and MINISTERED TO Abraham BY GIVING HIM BREAD AND WINE, has not this (the bread and wine )been established as the bread and wine of ministering? Under Christ order , and He being that bread and wine , the PRIEST in His order, the Order of Melchizedek, must give this bread and wine (body and blood of Christ) to all, and they like Abraham must too eat and drink of His body and blood.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Again, absolutely nothing about a sacrifice upon an alter regarding the Lord's remembrance of His death is to be found in the NT.

1 John 3:4.
James 2:10.
Galatians 2:21

Maybe not in what you post, but in what I post. Dividing as usual, the Male Child and delving out things as you want to use them like Christ's garments. You would love to see the Priesthood in Christ, of the Order of Melchizedek destroyed!
Won't happen though. Why? Because it is Christ's order and His religion which is a kingdom of priest and holy people that he has ordained . You are nothing but a blight!

 

[37818]

…

Oh so are you saying the Lord is a LIAR when He says I have not come to destroy or abolish but to FULFILL? Was it not a law that the Hebrews present their first fruit offering UPON THE ALTAR , according to the OC? Does not Paul say He is the LAST AND FINAL SACRIFICE? Does Paul not say we must 1 Corinthians 11:26(For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, (YOU PROCLAIM THE LORD'S DEATH) until He comes.) Since Christ is of the Oder of Melchizedek, whom came out of the city to greet Abraham after the slaughter of the kings, and MINISTERED TO Abraham BY GIVING HIM BREAD AND WINE, has not this (the bread and wine )been established as the bread and wine of ministering? Under Christ order , and He being that bread and wine , the PRIEST in His order, the Order of Melchizedek, must give this bread and wine (body and blood of Christ) to all, and they like Abraham must too eat and drink of His body and blood.

No. God's Law is immutable being His word, Psalms 119:89
1 John 3:4.
James 2:10
Galatians 2:21.

Again there is no alter involved in the Lord's remembrance of His death in the NT.