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JonShaff

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Again, absolutely nothing about a sacrifice upon an alter regarding the Lord's remembrance of His death is to be found in the NT.

1 John 3:4.
James 2:10.
Galatians 2:21
Satan pulled the same tricks with Eve, wresting the Word of God.
 

37818

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Maybe not in what you post, but in what I post. Dividing as usual, the Male Child and delving out things as you want to use them like Christ's garments. You would love to see the Priesthood in Christ, of the Order of Melchizedek destroyed!
Won't happen though. Why? Because it is Christ's order and His religion which is a kingdom of priest and holy people that he has ordained . You are nothing but a blight!
You are talking craze talk.

Isaiah 53:12; Hebrews 9:24; 1 Timothy 2:5; 1 John 2:1.
 

JonShaff

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Satan as the Serpent called to question what God said Genesis 3:1.
Satan lied, Genesis 3:4.

Can we do this? Pick one lie I said, that you know is a lie. cite it. And provide your evidence against that one lie. And let us deal with it one lie at a time.
I'm sorry, you misunderstand. I'm agreeing with you. The Roman Catholics are wresting the Scriptures. Sorry for the confusion.
 

OfLivingWaters

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You are talking craze talk.

Isaiah 53:12; Hebrews 9:24; 1 Timothy 2:5; 1 John 2:1.
The funny thing is though I am not dividing the word you all do and try to put scripture against scripture. I on the other hand keep the scriptures united, And you call me crazy??? I guess you might as well go down in a blaze of self righteous denial since at this point you are dead and you might as well fight according to the vessel you are made as , one to dishonor and the fire!

Really I am CRAZY, you heretic, you are the one dividing the Word. You are the one who calls Christ a liar , though He says he is the fulfillment of all established in the OC. Have at! You are defiled, this is the Baptist playground I do not expect any legit men to come out of here. Even if some among you can hear the truth they will be as guilty as you because they fear men rather than God. The praise of men is more important to them , than the praise of God.

They therefore aid and abet and are guilty as you are of trying to devour the Male Child Rev.12. This is a den of swine! Only His hear His voice! If any are His in here they will give me a thumbs up.They are probably Orthodox and Catholic any way. Only cowards do not step up. None of you could disprove anything I said and upheld with the written word. I did not divide therefore, is proof that you all loose who have divided! As if the scriptures contradict themselves and self implode! PLEASSSE! HA! HA!Ha!:Laugh God is good and NOT the author of confusion!
 
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37818

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I'm sorry, you misunderstand. I'm agreeing with you. The Roman Catholics are wresting the Scriptures. Sorry for the confusion.
I sure did.
My bad. I failed to note it was you and not @OfLivingWaters.
I wrongly just assumed it was him.
I like that fact that he is putting up arguments. But there is a disconnect in his arguments. I do not want to write a book to answer each if his posts.
I would like to engage @OfLivingWaters on a point by point basis. Where he thinks I am wrong. One item at a time.
I do not take being accused presonally. Especially when it is not true.

Yes. I was wrong this time.
 
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37818

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The funny thing is though I am not dividing the word you all do and try to put scripture against scripture. I on the other hand keep the scriptures united, And you call me crazy??? I guess you might as well go down in a blaze of self righteous denial since at this point you are dead and you might as well fight according to the vessel you are made as , one to dishonor and the fire!

Really I am CRAZY, you heretic, you are the one dividing the Word. You are the one who calls Christ a liar , though He says he is the fulfillment of all established in the OC. Have at! You are defiled, this is the Baptist playground I do not expect any legit men to come out of here. Even if some among you can hear the truth they will be as guilty as you because they fear men rather than God. The praise of men is more important to them , than the praise of God.

They therefore aid and abet and are guilty as you are of trying to devour the Male Child Rev.12. This is a den of swine! Only His hear His voice! If any are His in here will give me a thumbs up.they are probably orthodox and Catholic any way. Only cowards do not step up. None of you could disprove anything I said and upheld with the written word. I did not divide therefore, is proof that you all loose who have divided! As if the scriptures contradict themselves and self implode! PLEASSSE! HA! HA!Ha!:Laugh God is good and NOT the author of confusion!

Can you slow down a little? Cite one point you know I am wrong on. Quote me. Give your evidence for error you believe I am making. Thanks.

Can we deal on one point at a time? At the very least to be able to agree on why we disagree.

Misinterpretation of Holy Scripture always involves one or two things. Denying what the text actually says and means. Reading into the text what it does not really say or mean. Issues of translation and issues of textual variants sometimes play a role.
 

OfLivingWaters

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I sure did.
My bad. I failed to note it was you and not @OfLivingWaters.
I wrongly just assumed it was him.
I like that fact that he is putting up arguments. But there is a disconnect in his arguments. I do not what to write a book to answer each if his posts.
I would like to engage @OfLivingWaters on a point by point basis. Where he thinks I am wrong. One item at a time.
I do not take being accused presonally. Especially when it is not true.

Yes. I was wrong this time.
A disconnect?..... you have a disconnect that Christ is the Fulfillment of the law and the prophets! You then have the audacity to say there is a disconnect in my arguments? Step up! Prove your claims! You will not be able to because you are disconnected from the Holy Spirit. Write a book, you have no coherent reply because the Father in heaven is not answering for you. I flow like living waters Christ the living waters of life. I am in His image and in a war of words you loose before you even begin! satan can not win against truth! You could write 50 books and still fail!
 

OfLivingWaters

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Can you slow down a little? Cite one point you know I am wrong on. Quote me. Give your evidence for error you believe I am making. Thanks.

Can we deal on one point at a time. At the very least to be able to agree on why we disagree.

Misinterpretation of Holy Scripture always involves one or two things. Denying what the text actually says and means. Reading into the text what it does not really say or mean. Issues of translation and issues of textual variants sometimes play a role.

I Have! Baptist tactic, restate lies, deny obvious truths against what was already disproved by those truths, ignore scripture alone while posting pieces of scripture to try and delete other scripture, in an attempt to try and exhaust your opponent , and keep on and on with the cycle of deflect and avoid and denial!

This so observers will maybe not go back and read the CLEAR FACTS I have spoken in truth. You are just defeating your own eternal existence in Christ. Have at it! And the tree is known by its fruit! I will give Christ all my praise!
 

37818

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A disconnect?..... you have a disconnect that Christ is the Fulfillment of the law and the prophets! You then have the audacity to say there is a disconnect in my arguments? Step up! Prove your claims! You will not be able to because you are disconnected from the Holy Spirit. Write a book, you have no coherent reply because the Father in heaven is not answering for you. I flow like living waters Christ the living waters of life. I am in His image and in a war of words you loose before you even begin! satan can not win against truth! You could write 50 books and still fail!
I do not deny Christ is a fulfillment of the Law and Prophets (Luke 24:44).

You accused me. I accused the Roman Catholic Church. Present one issue. One where you believe you know I am wrong. Quote me. And present the evidence. If there is a difficulty, if possible simplify it. If it cannot be simplified, step me through your your argument step by step. I will try to do the same.
 

37818

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I Have! Baptist tactic, restate lies, deny obvious truths against what was already disproved by those truths, ignore scripture alone while posting pieces of scripture to try and delete other scripture, in an attempt to try and exhaust your opponent , and keep on and on with the cycle of deflect and avoid and denial!

This so observers will maybe not go back and read the CLEAR FACTS I have spoken in truth. You are just defeating your own eternal existence in Christ. Have at it! And the tree is known by its fruit! I will give Christ all my praise!
Pick one issue. They need to be dealt with one issue at a time. And if there are sub points of disagreement they need to be dealt with one at a time too.

We are both betting our souls on what we believe.
 

OfLivingWaters

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Pick one issue. They need to be dealt with one issue at a time. And if there are sub points of disagreement they need to be dealt with one at a time too.

We are both betting our souls on what we believe,
Well then, you have not been coherent in the replies you made to my rebuttals against heresies you people speak.I am not going to recap ALL my rebuttals they are documented . Go back and read them, unless they are to be deleted because of your utter failure ! In that case since I am not in it for the praise of men but God's, have at it! It is only to your lose not mine.
 

OfLivingWaters

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Pick one issue. They need to be dealt with one issue at a time. And if there are sub points of disagreement they need to be dealt with one at a time too.

We are both betting our souls on what we believe.

No I am not betting my soul my bondsman has set mine free, it is your soul that you bet! I put MY FAITH before you and you loose, MY SURE BET is Christ and I have already WON because He has already conquered sin in me and for those who BELIEVE EVERY WORD AND DECREE THE KING MAKES! I have already won before this battle even ensued!
 

OfLivingWaters

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I do not deny Christ is a fulfillment of the Law and Prophets (Luke 24:44).

You accused me. I accused the Roman Catholic Church. Present one issue. One where you believe you know I am wrong. Quote me. And present the evidence. If there is a difficulty, if possible simplify it. If it cannot be simplified, step me through your your argument step by step. I will try to do the same.
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You claim here "His sacrifice on the altar." Which from the Apostolic authority of the New Testament is no where to be found. Hence another gospel another Jesus.

Jesus the Christ finished His sacrifice on he cross prior to His physical death (John 19:28-30; Luke 23:46; Hebrews 10:10).

#107 37818, Today at 6:21 PM

You deny what st. Paul said:
Sharing in the Lord's Supper 1Corinthians 11:25-27
…25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. 27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.…

You deny Christ said eat and live, they who do not,have not life within them. You deny, that in this Christ, is offered as the first fruit upon the Altar which in Him is fulfilled the law and the prophets! You therefore, deny He is the last sacrifice upon the altar that we are to remember(His Death) until His return. The priestly order God established in the OC and it is not abolished but fulfilled in Christ.
 

37818

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Well then, you have not been coherent in the replies you made to my rebuttals against heresies you people speak.I am not going to recap ALL my rebuttals they are documented . Go back and read them, unless they are to be deleted because of your utter failure ! In that case since I am not in it for the praise of men but God's, have at it! It is only to your lose not mine.

Your arguments, as far as I know will not be deleted. And as far as I know, they will be archived for future reading.

The Baptist position is the New Testament is the sole Apostolic authority on all matters of faith and practice of the Christian faith.

None of the Scriptures regarding the Lord's remembrance of His death teach that the bread or the cup representing His body and the New Covenant in His blood teach they become His body and blood. They just do not.

Jesus' teaching on one coming to Him and believing in Him for eternal life was not about the remembrance that He would latter institute. The metaphor was about Jesus being the true bread of life.
 

OfLivingWaters

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Your arguments, as far as I know will not be deleted. And as far as I know, they will be archived for future reading.

The Baptist position is the New Testament is the sole Apostolic authority on all matters of faith and practice of the Christian faith.

None of the Scriptures regarding the Lord's remembrance of His death teach that the bread or the cup representing His body and the New Covenant in His blood teach they become His body and blood. They just do not.

Jesus' teaching on one coming to Him and believing in Him for eternal life was not about the remembrance that He would latter institute. The metaphor was about Jesus being the true bread of life.

You're DENSE! You deny the scriptures again THE WORD OF GOD SAYS THAT IT DOES , denial does not make you right. Your doctrine is false we have already established that. HE TEACHES THAT IT IS HIS BODY AND BLOOD! Now you are just being a straight up liar! EAT this, this is my body, drink this , this is my blood! WOW JUST WOW! Space cadets running amuck! The DAY of the Lord.....all I can say, I am so grateful I believe in His word. WOOOOOW! Ha !Ha! Ha! I, in my calling read it and believed it and now experiencing it those who malign the truth, just wow, beyond ignorance, complete awareness, and denial of it. And you are correcting Mormons???
 

37818

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37818 said:
You claim here "His sacrifice on the altar." Which from the Apostolic authority of the New Testament is no where to be found. Hence another gospel another Jesus.

Jesus the Christ finished His sacrifice on he cross prior to His physical death (John 19:28-30; Luke 23:46; Hebrews 10:10).

#107 37818, Today at 6:21 PM

You deny what st. Paul said:
Sharing in the Lord's Supper 1Corinthians 11:25-27
…25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. 27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.…
False accusation.

You deny Christ said eat and live, they who do not,have not life within them.
I did not deny Christ's metaphor.

You deny, that in this Christ, is offered as the first fruit upon the Altar which in Him is fulfilled the law and the prophets!
Your false assertion. Hebrews 10:1.

You therefore, deny He is the last sacrifice upon the altar that we are to remember(His Death) until His return.
You claim an non existent alter. How can any sane person agree on a non existent alter.
The priestly order God established in the OC and it is not abolished but fulfilled in Christ.
Hebrews 10:1. Hebrews 9:26-28.
 
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37818

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You're DENSE! You deny the scriptures again THE WORD OF GOD SAYS THAT IT DOES , denial does not make you right. Your doctrine is false we have already established that. HE TEACHES THAT IT IS HIS BODY AND BLOOD! Now you are just being a straight up liar! EAT this, this is my body, drink this , this is my blood! WOW JUST WOW! Space cadets running amuck! The DAY of the Lord.....all I can say, I am so grateful I believe in His word. WOOOOOW! Ha !Ha! Ha! I, in my calling read it and believed it and now experiencing it those who malign the truth, just wow, beyond ignorance, complete awareness, and denial of it. And you are correcting Mormons???
You accuse me of denying what I do not deny. And you claim the Scriptures teach what they do not teach.
 

OfLivingWaters

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False accusation.

I did not deny Christ's metaphor.

Your false assertion. Hebrews 10:1.

You claim an non existent alter. How can any sane person agree on a none existent alter.
Hebrews 10:1. Hebrews 9:26-28.
met·a·phor
/ˈmedəˌfôr,ˈmedəˌfər/
noun
noun: metaphor; plural noun: metaphors
a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.

You just keep sinking deeper and deeper into that abysmal knowledge . Yeah I know it, a metaphor is what you are judged by!:Laugh

Sharing in the Lord's Supper ! Corinthians 11:28-30
…28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the (body) eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.…

Your beyond sleep, you are straight up DEAD!

Again you deny the Word and the Power of His decrees!
 
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