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[Walter]

Should we mention that Baptists are not Protestants?

Oh! OK!

The Anabaptists denied that a person is saved by faith alone.[2]

The Montanists taught that “God, not being able to save the world by Moses and the Prophets, took flesh of the Virgin Mary, and in Christ, His Son, preached and died for us. And because He could not accomplish the salvation of the world by this second method, the Holy Spirit descended upon Montanus, Prisca, and Maximilla, giving them the plenitude which St. Paul had not (1 Corinthians 13:9). [1]

The Novatians refused readmission to communion of baptized Christians who had denied their faith. [3]

“For proponents [of Baptist Successionism], writes Fr. Dwight Longenecker, “the fact that there is no historical proof for their theory simply shows how good the Catholic Church was at persecution and cover-up. Baptist Successionism can never be disproved because all that is required for their succession to be transmitted was a small group of faithful people somewhere at some time who kept the flame of the true faith alive. The authors of this “history” skim happily over the heretical beliefs of their supposed forefathers in the faith. It is sufficient that all these groups were opposed to, and persecuted by, the Catholics.”

 

[Walter]

EWF: Please! Do tell us WHICH Baptist church you finally found that shapes up to YOUR standards. I do recall threads in the 'Baptist Only' forums of your frustration that you would have to drive HUNDREDS of miles to find a proper one. Please don't blow the question off by answering that ANY protestant sect (yes, Baptists are indeed Prots) would be better than those evil Cat'licks. I remember you getting all excited about finding a WELS congregation (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod) that you thought might fit the bill until you discovered they didn't have the same interpretation of the 'biblical' meaning of 'Born Again' that other 1600 Prots had finally discovered. Oh, and then there was the idea of having your own 'bible-believing sect' meet in a bar. What happened to that?? Keep looking, buddy! Some sect somewhere believes and practices Christianity as you think they should!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Nonsense! You are only fooling yourself! I used to buy this drivel too. Thankfully, my formerly Baptist missionary (now Catholic) helped educate me. You see, here in the West, where conversions to Catholicism by former Baptist FAR outnumber vice versa, we are fortunate to have imtellectuall historians who finally face the truth:

'Thankfully intellectually honest Baptists, such as James McGoldrick who was once himself a believer in Baptist successionism are conceding that this “trail of blood” view is, frankly, bogus. McGoldrick writes:

Extensive graduate study and independent investigation of church history has, however, convinced [the author] that the view he once held so dear has not been, and cannot be, verified. On the contrary, surviving primary documents render the successionist view untenable. . . . Although free church groups in ancient and medieval times sometimes promoted doctrines and practices agreeable to modern Baptists, when judged by standards now acknowledged as baptistic, not one of them merits recognition as a Baptist church. Baptists arose in the 17th century in Holland and England. They are Protestants, heirs of the reformers. (Baptist Successionism: A Crucial Question in Baptist History [1994], 1–2)'

Thanks Aunt Lori for helping me to see the that Baptist are INDEED Protestants and that Baptist Successionism is a farce!

Nonsense, the true church of Jesus Christ was established before the religious institutions of men bearing the name "Christian" came into being and has been somewhere in the world since that time. The true church was in existence long before the Protestant Reformation, so it cannot really be called a Protestant Church.

Thank you Jesus.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Now here is what I could do though.... infiltrate back into the Roman Catholic Church and begin my own reformed movement. My agenda in that endeavor would be “truth” not Catholic religious dogma. And believe me, I could do that. That way I could kill two birds with one stone. That way I could kill your beloved institution much quicker than your myriad hypocrites could ever dream. Fortunately God is already doing that, at least here in NW NJ. The young people are leaving in droves. If they haven’t been deterred by the disgust of your dogma, they look for something better. Evidence all these new non-connected Christian churches popping up.

Frankly I could always find the Irish Catholics in pubs and in AA meetings. The Eastern Europeans who are here are now congregating at the non-denomination churches in the area, and the Germans basically just leave and don’t return to anything organized. So you see, I’ve done my homework regarding my area (town, county, State). And the only real presence in the RCC around here are people in they are in their 70’s to 80’s who represent the body of the church and their Covids primary targets (379 died in NJ yesterday). Hmmm the old dropping dead and the young wanting nothing to do with the CC. Perhaps that’s my calling, one I could totally enjoy making my life’s work... save the laity with truth!

 

[Salty]

EWF: Please! Do tell us WHICH Baptist church you finally found that shapes up to YOUR standards. I do recall threads in the 'Baptist Only' forums of your frustration that you would have to drive HUNDREDS of miles to find a proper one. Please don't blow the question off by answering that ANY protestant sect (yes, Baptists are indeed Prots) ...

I want to get into this -- but so I wont hijack - I have started a new thread Click here

 

[Walter]

Nonsense, the true church of Jesus Christ was established before the religious institutions of men bearing the name "Christian" came into being and has been somewhere in the world since that time. The true church was in existence long before the Protestant Reformation, so it cannot really be called a Protestant Church.

Thank you Jesus.

Historical proof, please! Oh, let me guess! The book ofActs? Let's roll down from there a few hundred years just for giggles.

 

[Salty]

and the proof for RCC in 33 AD?
I know what Matthew & Acts says

So why doesnt the Bible say Upon this rock I will build the Roman Catholic Church?
NOT once in the NT does the Bible talk about the RCC! - only local independent churches.

 

[Yeshua1]

Oh, OK! Lol. You convinced me finally! Try taking his position apart piece by piece biblically and convince us that way instead of your mantra'. Your accusations convince none of us!

He denies it as held by Reformers, so he is wrong!

 

[Yeshua1]

and the proof for RCC in 33 AD?
I know what Matthew & Acts says

So why doesnt the Bible say Upon this rock I will build the Roman Catholic Church?
NOT once in the NT does the Bible talk about the RCC! - only local independent churches.

There cannot be any official RCC until papacy was establisged, much later in church history!
The Rise of the Papacy by David Wells

 

[Adonia]

and the proof for RCC in 33 AD?
I know what Matthew & Acts says

So why doesnt the Bible say Upon this rock I will build the Roman Catholic Church?
NOT once in the NT does the Bible talk about the RCC! - only local independent churches.

The local churches of that day were not independent. I recall a certain man named Paul writing to the church in Corinth telling them where they were messing up and that they had better get with the correct program. This proves that there was a central authority even back then and that truth cannot be denied.

 

[Adonia]

and the proof for RCC in 33 AD?
I know what Matthew & Acts says

So why doesnt the Bible say Upon this rock I will build the Roman Catholic Church?
NOT once in the NT does the Bible talk about the RCC! - only local independent churches.

Because the term "Roman Catholic" was introduced centuries later as a pejorative by the renegades from orthodox Christianity.

 

[Yeshua1]

The local churches of that day were not independent. I recall a certain man named Paul writing to the church in Corinth telling them where they were messing up and that they had better get with the correct program. This proves that there was a central authority even back then and that truth cannot be denied.

There was no papacy then, and the OT scriptures and doctrines and teaching of Apostles were being taught in each local assembly by authorized Elder/Pastor! Oretty much same as we Baptists do now!

 

[Walter]

And the only real presence in the RCC around here are people in they are in their 70’s to 80’s who represent the body of the church and their Covids primary targets (379 died in NJ yesterday). Hmmm the old dropping dead and the young wanting nothing to do with the CC. Perhaps that’s my calling, one I could totally enjoy making my life’s work... save the laity with truth!

I won't say you are us, but let me compare what you 'claim' is Catholic Church attendance in NJ to our bursting at the seams Catholic Church in Roseburg, Oregon. The majority of the attendees are in their 20's, 30's and 40's. And, before Salty jumps in with his usual 'yeah, look at all the 'illegals' flooding your state. What would you expect?' Roseburg, is 98% caucasian. Look it up! Roseburg has built a new Catholic Church and needs another one to accommodate those converting.

Now, let's look at the local Baptist churches preaching their cheap gospel. Over 80% empty and several contemplating closing or joining other Baptist churches 'if they can just come to some agreement on doctrine'! I'm very in tune with the pulse of the churches in this area. Most mainline churches are even in worse shape. The Presbies will soon close, the UMC will soon split and might not survive over the 'gay' things. The ELCA church is losing members FAST over the 'gay thingy', The UCC church is ready to close (gay thingy again), Well Spring Baptist Church (Baptist) is splitting over doctrine. They got some LGBTQXYZ issues of their own, and, on and on it goes. So, The Catholic Church is reaping many new members and will formally welcome them in when the 'plague' is over. Seems like here, the Old Baptists are the ones dropping dead and the young want nothing to do with your dying churches.

The Catholic Church is growing and growing throughout the world. Those are the STATS. If the Catholic Church is dying, why do the statistics show that it is the fastest growing church in the world??? Prove me wrong!

 

[Walter]

and the proof for RCC in 33 AD?
I know what Matthew & Acts says

So why doesnt the Bible say Upon this rock I will build the Roman Catholic Church?
NOT once in the NT does the Bible talk about the RCC! - only local independent churches.

Why doesn't the bible say 'Upon this rock I will build my One Holy Baptist and Apostolic Church??? lol You are being ridiculous!

 

[Walter]

Why doesn't the bible say 'Upon this rock I will build my One Holy Baptist and Apostolic Church??? lol You are being ridiculous!

Now let's see just how many different Baptists associations (don't kid yourself, they are denons or they would not be saying that the Holy Spirit led each one of them into a 'New Truth':

• Alliance of Baptists
• American Baptist Association
• American Baptist Churches in the USA
• Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America
• Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
• Bapticostal Church International
• Bapticostal movement
• Baptist Bible Fellowship International
• Baptist Missionary Association of America
• Central Baptist Association
• Christian Unity Baptist Association
• Conservative Baptist Association of America
• Continental Baptist Churches
• Converge (formerly Baptist General Conference)
• Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
• Enterprise Association of Regular Baptists
• Free Will Baptist
• Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship
• Fundamental Baptist Fellowship Association
• Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of America
• General Association of Baptists
• General Association of General Baptists
• General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
• General Conference of the Evangelical Baptist Church, Inc.
• General Six-Principle Baptists
• Independent Baptist Church of America
• Independent Baptist Fellowship International
• Independent Baptist Fellowship of North America
• Indian Bottom Association of Old Regular Baptists
• Institutional Missionary Baptist Conference of America
• Interstate & Foreign Landmark Missionary Baptist Association
• Landmark Baptists
• Liberty Baptist Fellowship
• Macedonia Baptist World Missions
• Mainstream Baptist Network
• National Association of Free Will Baptists
• National Baptist Convention of America, Inc.
• National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
• National Baptist Evangelical Life and Soul Saving Assembly of the U.S.A.
• National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
• National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A.
• North American Baptist Conference
• Old Regular Baptist
• Old Time Missionary Baptist
• Original Free Will Baptist Convention
• Primitive Baptist Universalists
• Primitive Baptists
• Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
• Reformed Baptist
• Regular Baptist
• Roger Williams Fellowship
• Separate Baptist
• Separate Baptists in Christ
• Seventh Day Baptist General Conference
• Southern Baptist Convention
• Southwide Baptist Fellowship
• Sovereign Grace Baptists
• Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists
• United American Free Will Baptist Church
• United American Free Will Baptist Conference
• United Baptist
• Unregistered Baptist Fellowship
• World Baptist Fellowship
• Worldwide Baptist New Testament Missions

God to LOVE the Primitive Baptist Universalists! They take your 'fighting fundy' doctrine and stand it on it's head!!! lol

 

[Salty]

one-fifth of the total U.S. adult population, according to Pew Research Center’s 2014 Religious Landscape Study.
That study found that the share of Americans who are Catholic declined from 24% in 2007 to 21% in 2014.

13% of all U.S. adults are former Catholics –
2% of U.S. adults are converts to Catholicism

there are 6.5 former Catholics in the U.S. for every convert to the faith.

Many U.S. Catholics say they want to see the church make significant changes

1) allow priests to marry
2) half of say the church RCC should recognize the marriages of hom0sexuals.

click this link for the full report

 

[Salty]

Why doesn't the bible say 'Upon this rock I will build my One Holy Baptist and Apostolic Church??? lol You are being ridiculous!

Because none of those were the original churches

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Historical proof, please! Oh, let me guess! The book ofActs? Let's roll down from there a few hundred years just for giggles.

The only joke is your affinity for the CC.

 

[church mouse guy]

A train wreck? EWTN is more popular than it ever has been, with more platforms and viewers than at anytime in its history.

As for this link you continue to claim was broken, the Good Friday service from the Basilica is linked on EWTN's Youtube channel plain as day. Thus your entire complaint is bogus!

Enjoy --->

(You can skip to about the 1.00 mark if you want to go straight to the service.)

Ah, well, Michael Voris gave me that info so he was incorrect. Now I can watch a homosexual predator conduct a Good Friday service--er, no thanks. I wonder if they put it back up just to make Voris look bad for saying that they had taken it down? That Rossi is no good.

 

[Walpole]

Ah, well, Michael Voris gave me that info so he was incorrect. Now I can watch a homosexual predator conduct a Good Friday service--er, no thanks. I wonder if they put it back up just to make Voris look bad for saying that they had taken it down? That Rossi is no good.

Next time do your homework before you post Fake News.