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Causing Men to Lust

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Earth Wind and Fire

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How is critiqueing a borderline sermon by Martin seen as blasphemy??? Is Martin Jesus??? Did anyone here condemn him for sermon outlines that came from Beel-ze-bub??

There's Engineers who work tirelessly for NASA for years and years---and still---every now and then---a rocket can go haywire

Martin puts his pants on one leg at a time---admitting that in someones opinion he "crashed and burned" isn't in the same catagory as accusing Jesus Christ of works done in the name of beelzebub!!:type:

And your point is?
 

BobinKy

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Let us take a look at the magnitude of what we are talking about.

Please put your theology books down for a few minutes. And pick up a pencil or calculator.

U.S. consumers purchased 19.5 billion garments of apparel in 2008. That is not dollars, but number of garments. Do whatever math you care to do.

19.5 billion garments @ $10 = $195 billion
19.5 billion garments @ $20 = $390 billion​

Do Americans need to spend $195 billion (or more) each year on apparel?

This is a problem. Sunday best is one thing. But $195 billion (or more) each and every year?

God (and the millions of people in poverty) need all of the Amos prophets preaching out their hearts and souls on this.

What's in your closet?

...Bob



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Here are the statistics from a report issued by the American Apparel & Footwear Association: Trends - An Annual Statistical Analysis of the U.S. Apparel & Footwear Industries, Annual 2008 Edition (published August 2009).

U.S. Apparel & Footwear Consumption, Production, Imports & Import Penetration In Selected Categories for 2008 In Thousands of Dozens or Thousands of Pairs (figure 4, page 3).

Apparel (Number of Garments) ..... 19,507,834,000
Footwear ..... 2,231,795,000

Women’s Footwear (Nonrubber) ..... 885,855,000 pairs
Juvenile Footwear (Nonrubber) ..... 304,149,000 pairs
Athletic Footwear (Nonrubber) ..... 310,375,000 pairs
Men’s Work Footwear (Nonrubber) ..... 51,356,000 pairs
Plastic/Protective Footwear ..... 25,074,000 pairs

336 Cotton Dresses ..... 13,552,000 x 12
339 W&G Cotton Knit Blouses ..... 186,009,000 x12
340 M&B Cotton Woven Shirts ..... 22,598,000 x12
342 Cotton Skirts ..... 9,906,000 x12
345 Cotton Sweaters ..... 5,921,000 x12
347 M&B Cotton Trousers ..... 57,231,000 x12
348 W&G Cotton Trousers ..... 86,866,000 x12
352 Cotton Underwear ..... 175,221,000 x12
635 W&G MMF Coats ..... 9,925,000 x12
636 Mmf Dresses ..... 15,147,000 x12
638 M&B MMF Knit Shirts ..... 36,597,000 x12
639 W&G Mmf Knit Shirts ..... 35,240,000 x12
640 M&B MMF Woven Shirts ..... 6,306,000 x12
641 W&G Shirts & Blouses, Not Knit ..... 13,687,000 x12
642 Mmf Skirts ..... 5,548,000 x12
648 W&G Mmf Trousers ..... 20,144,000 x12
649 Mmf Bras ..... 31,388,000 x12
652 Mmf Underwear ..... 31,026,000 x12​

 
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pinoybaptist

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Bro Willis -

I can understand your point as well as that of others here.
All I'm saying is that this preacher is speaking in the right venue.
Now, if he went to a member's house to see how they're dressed and "dress them up" right there in that member's house, he ought to be thrown out because then he is encroaching on their private and personal lives.

But in church ?
He is the pastor.
The Lord who chose Him knows all about His style and His manner of speaking and still called Him to the ministry and gave Him proof of his calling.
Who, then, are we to "educate" him better than the Lord who called him ?

Years ago back in the Philippines, we were under a similar type of preacher.
But one day he went visiting us and saw my wife had her hair cut short to her nape and started to upbraid her right there and then in front of me to the embarrassment of my wife.
I cut him off politely, walked him out, told him to take our names off the roster of members, and that he was no longer welcome to our home.
 

pinoybaptist

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Perhaps the one who called him to preach uses members of the congregation to occasionally keep him on the right path ... even in his preaching.

:godisgood:

you don't know that.
and I don't see members of his congregation here.
and, oh, by the way, isn't he a member of the "body of Christ" ?
and therefore ought to be "loved" ?
helllloooo......
 

saturneptune

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Bro Willis -

I can understand your point as well as that of others here.
All I'm saying is that this preacher is speaking in the right venue.
Now, if he went to a member's house to see how they're dressed and "dress them up" right there in that member's house, he ought to be thrown out because then he is encroaching on their private and personal lives.

But in church ?
He is the pastor.
The Lord who chose Him knows all about His style and His manner of speaking and still called Him to the ministry and gave Him proof of his calling.
Who, then, are we to "educate" him better than the Lord who called him ?

Years ago back in the Philippines, we were under a similar type of preacher.
But one day he went visiting us and saw my wife had her hair cut short to her nape and started to upbraid her right there and then in front of me to the embarrassment of my wife.
I cut him off politely, walked him out, told him to take our names off the roster of members, and that he was no longer welcome to our home.
How can this pastor possibly be speaking in the right venue? One mark of leadership is that you anticipate problems (proactive) and not let them grow and grow and get out of control (reactive). If this pastor had addressed the immodest dress on an individual basis as soon as it was seen (either him or another leader of the church), then the sermon would not have been necessary. As it is, it shows a problem that was neglected, is out of control, and wasted time as a result of his own lack of leadership speaking on a subject that would have better been spent on reaching out to the lost with the Gospel.
 

Crabtownboy

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you don't know that.
and I don't see members of his congregation here.
and, oh, by the way, isn't he a member of the "body of Christ" ?
and therefore ought to be "loved" ?
helllloooo......

Sometimes the best expression of love is to correct. When you correct a child does that mean you are not loving the child?

 
Bro. Tim,

And I too, understand where you are coming from, and I agree to a certain extent. There was a Brother of a local church, who would get mad at women if they didn't come to church with a dress on! However, he ALWAYS wore tight fittin' jeans to church, and his "endowment" protruded, if you get my drift! He should had been admonished for wearing his pants in such a manner, but we have a member from that same church who was excluded in the church parking lot, because she wore pants to church in the middle of winter!! People will swallow a camel and gag at a gnat. Let's look at it this way, a pastor's life is not one of "ease and comfort"! I sure don't want that for myself, unless God calls me to be one.

i am I AM's!!

Willis
 

Jerome

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There are testimonies online about how this man treats his church's saints out of the pulpit.
 

Amy.G

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Al is from New Jersey ....go watch some of the NJ cable programs.....The Jersey Shore program with Snookey & tell me after viewing that trash if the Reverand Martin doesnt have a point to make. Honestly, you sound like you live in a box. You need to get out more. Martin knows what he is talking about.:laugh:

What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?

The pastor was scolding the women in his congregation, NOT the cast of Jersey Shore. Maybe if Snookie was sitting in the pew listening, you might have a point.
 

Amy.G

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kinda like somebody trying to quit smoking and getting on a public vehicle back in the 70's and everybody around him puffing away ?
kinda like somebody who isn't trying to quit smoking and gets on a vehicle back in the 70's needing a light and nobody is puffing away ?

or successfully not smoking for a week, and for some reason everything he sees or hears reminds him of tobacco ? A whiff of tobacco from that lady's hair ? The Marlboro man on a billboard newly set up along his route ? Young people saying "cool, man" every other sentence ?

I know what you mean, Amy.G, but I did quit, nevertheless.
Been tobacco-free for the last so many decades, except for a few slips here and there, which I've had none for the past ten years.
Yep. After reading your post I need to go light up. :laugh:
 
There are testimonies online about how this man treats his church's saints out of the pulpit.

I would be leery of any "testimonies" of those he has talked to outside the pulpit. Too many times, people get offended when shown the truth. Who are we to say that their testimonies are the truth? Someone may have an axe to grind. Just because it's in print, does not make it fact. I would not draw any good or bad conclusions based on some testimonies.
 

blackbird

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My point is-----in my personal opinion---the dude "crashed and burned"---the sermon was sloppy!!! If he were in the Marines and I were "Gunny"---I'd have him runnin' laps, doing pushups, digging ditches and sweeping the parade grounds with a toothbrush until he thinks he can come up with something that is more relivant!!----while everyone else is on the rifle range shooting and having a good time---he'll be out on the parade ground with that toothbrush in the blistering hot sun---next time he'll get it right!!!!:laugh::laugh:

Have I ever "crashed and burned" a sermon??? You betcha!!! Have I ever taken a little bit too far of a lead off of 1st Base and gotten tagged out?? You betcha!! Have I ever got thrown out tryin' to steal 2nd?? You betcha!! Anybody but Jesus can sometimes get a sermon and run it off a cliff!!!!!
 
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pinoybaptist

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Bro. Tim,

And I too, understand where you are coming from, and I agree to a certain extent. There was a Brother of a local church, who would get mad at women if they didn't come to church with a dress on! However, he ALWAYS wore tight fittin' jeans to church, and his "endowment" protruded, if you get my drift! He should had been admonished for wearing his pants in such a manner, but we have a member from that same church who was excluded in the church parking lot, because she wore pants to church in the middle of winter!! People will swallow a camel and gag at a gnat. Let's look at it this way, a pastor's life is not one of "ease and comfort"! I sure don't want that for myself, unless God calls me to be one.

i am I AM's!!

Willis

LOL....I tells ya, brother willis, we saints are a strange bunch.
did you read about my comment on doctrines about how we even had one that specified how the hair was parted ?
Remember that time when shaggy was in vogue ?
You know. mopheads ? no part on the hair ?
I almost got disfellowshipped by the same church. rotfl. :laugh:
then we had a member who parted his hair smack on the middle of the head.
somebody invoked the "pertaineth to" and applied it on the hair.
since we were a bit older than this guy, he and his then girlfriend, now his wife, often came to us for counselling and advice.
my wife and I could hardly keep straight faces. :laugh:
he left the church when we did...
 

pinoybaptist

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I would be leery of any "testimonies" of those he has talked to outside the pulpit. Too many times, people get offended when shown the truth. Who are we to say that their testimonies are the truth? Someone may have an axe to grind. Just because it's in print, does not make it fact. I would not draw any good or bad conclusions based on some testimonies.

well said, brother.
 
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