Causing Men to Lust

[pinoybaptist]

It's Pinoy's fault. :saint:

what ?
whadahdo ?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It's Pinoy's fault. :saint:

There might be a reason he lives in ole Virginnie :smilewinkgrin::laugh:

 

[convicted1]

what ?
whadahdo ?

Bro Tim,

You mean you don't know the unwritten rule on BB?? When all else fails, blame the PB's!! Shame on you !!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

what ?
whadahdo ?

your a lobbyist for the tobacco industry....admit it!

 

[convicted1]

There might be a reason he lives in ole Virginnie :smilewinkgrin::laugh:

Well, Bro EWF, you know there is a brand of cigs called "Virginia Slims" don't you?? LOL

 

[convicted1]

Well, Bro EWF, you know there is a brand of cigs called "Virginia Slims" don't you?? LOL

He used to live in Buffalo but it's too hard to smoke a buffalo. Impossible to find rolling papers THAT BIG!!

 

[Scarlett O.]

Of course you dont know Al Martin. He'd like nothing more than for you to come to him & tell him your outraged. Remember in the beginning he told you to confront him & if he did something wrong then he'd repent publically. Come to think of it, he is just the guy you need to call & speak with concerning your questions about Calvinism. Let me know if you need his phone number.

I don't care for his phone number, thank you. But I would be interested in his mailing address or email - not to bash him or rebuke him - but to tell him, in a Christian-to-Christian respectful manner, how the sermon affected me, since he DID ask for that.

And no, I don't have any questions about Calvinism. I understand all that I need to know about that philosophy. My questions that I posed on the other thread were about the decision-making principles of the Calvinist, not the tenets of Calvinism.

Al is from New Jersey ....go watch some of the NJ cable programs.....The Jersey Shore program with Snookey & tell me after viewing that trash if the Reverand Martin doesnt have a point to make. Honestly, you sound like you live in a box. You need to get out more. Martin knows what he is talking about.:laugh:

Um .... no, I don't live in a box. Yes, I am aware of what kind of trashy shows are on television. That pastor wasn't talking about The Jersey Shore. He was talking about women inside of church - women in that particular congregation.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Blame Peanut Butter.....Thats kinda harsh init? :tear:

 

[annsni]

Good golly people! I listened to the first few minutes of this message and was horrified. I would have very quickly gotten up out of my seat and walked out of the service. Just so you know, I wore a long skirt to church this week that went below mid calf, had on boots that went to my knees and wore a turtleneck sweater that showed...nothing. So I was only showing my chin up and my hands. Yet I would have walked out of that sermon within the first minutes.

As I just read through this thread, I opened a bunch of tabs of posts to quote and respond to but it's too much so I'm just going to give my thoughts:

* Yes, women need to be aware of what they wear and what affect it has on men. An excellent book for women on this is "For Women Only". It explains how men think about women and such and it's an excellent read. We DO need to be cautious at all times to be sure that we are covered decently and that we do not show more than we need to. Now understand that I wear shorts, sleeveless tops and v-neck tops - sometimes all at the same time! Some might not consider that modest but I am not afraid to stand in front of anyone in them and wonder if I'm not covered enough. *I* don't want to show off too much and what I wear, I do not feel is immodest. My husband agrees that it is modest and I have wonderful women around me who would gently say something to me if it were not modest.

* We need to be sure that women are teaching women and men are teaching men when it comes to sexuality. In our church, that is done. Our pastor has had specific men's breakfasts and men's retreats addressing lust and the pastor's wives and other leaders have had specific meetings addressing the women and our part in leading men to be in a place where they can sin. But to address this from the pulpit in the form that this pastor did is sinful, IMO. It is not Biblical (show me where any man in Scripture taught women how to dress) and it was done to mortify women who don't even dress this way! To use the terms he used - the graphic language - that was so wrong.

* To be offended by this message does not mean that we felt he was addressing us. I also get offended by abortion but have never had one. I get offended by bad language but I do not use it. I get offended when someone uses the Lord's name in vain but I never do it myself. Just because we get offended by something doesn't mean we feel that issue is addressed at us. Instead, we get offended when someone uses the pulpit to push his own agenda and say it's from God.

 

[annsni]

Oh - I remembered one more thing. We need to be careful that we do not project on our congregation the sins of the world around us. We need to caution them to be watchful but we do not need to castigate women in the congregation for what women in the world wear. That is a poor excuse for a message.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And no, I don't have any questions about Calvinism. I understand all that I need to know about that philosophy.

Madam....It is Reformed theology & well practiced by Spurgeon, Edwards, BB Warfield, James Montgomery Boice, George Whitefield, Cotton Mather,Augustine, C. J. Mahaney, Carl F. H. Henry,Don Carson,James Petigru Boyce, James White (theologian), John F. MacArthur, John Gill (theologian), John L. Dagg, John Piper,
Joshua Harris, Leonhard Euler, Martyn Lloyd-Jones
R. Albert Mohler, Jr., Wayne Grudem, William Carey,
Alistar Begg, William Livingston, John Witherspoon,
RC Sproul, John Winthrop, Andrew Jackson, Roger Williams, Ronald Regan, Daniel Webster, John Knox, Thomas Cartwright, John Owen, Stonewall Jackson, John Ryland, John Mott, John Bunyan, Thomas Boston, John Witherspoon, Abraham Kuyper, AW Pink, Teddy Roosevelt & Al Martin.

Im sure you can google Trinity Baptist Church in Montville NJ & get Rev Martin's forwarding address since he has retired since 2008. If your interested perhaps you can ask him to forward you his booklet titled " The Practical Implications of Calvinism" :tongue3:

 

[Scarlett O.]

Im sure you can google Trinity Baptist Church in Montville NJ & get Rev Martin's forwarding address since he has retired since 2008.

Thank you, I shall. Does he preach anymore at all? If he doesn't get behind the pulpit anymore then my writing to him is moot. If he does, I would like to drop him a polite line since he did ask for comments.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Oh - I remembered one more thing. We need to be careful that we do not project on our congregation the sins of the world around us. We need to caution them to be watchful but we do not need to castigate women in the congregation for what women in the world wear. That is a poor excuse for a message.

Gee Ann, & I loved it! Believe me it took allot for ole Al to muster up the guts to do that sermon. And boy did we have allot to discuss afterwards. From an entertainment value it was well worth the trip to Montville & this wasnt one of those lame sermons I fall asleep in....I was REAL AWAKE for that one. ROFL :laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Aaron]

Okay. I couldn't resist anymore. Had to listen. I found nothing objectionable. I think the hostile reaction is that of an innate feminism indignant that a man had the sand to tell a woman how she should dress.

 

[annsni]

Gee Ann, & I loved it! Believe me it took allot for ole Al to muster up the guts to do that sermon. And boy did we have allot to discuss afterwards. From an entertainment value it was well worth the trip to Montville & this wasnt one of those lame sermons I fall asleep in....I was REAL AWAKE for that one. ROFL :laugh::laugh::laugh:

I'd be awake from walking. I hate messages like this. It's very legalistic and offensive and could be handled in a MUCH more Biblical method that still gets the point across without having to be crude.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Thank you, I shall. Does he preach anymore at all? If he doesn't get behind the pulpit anymore then my writing to him is moot. If he does, I would like to drop him a polite line since he did ask for comments.

YES & he actually teaches ministers. LOL. Remember though he is in his 80's so factor that in. He was so popular at one time that that particular denom didnt build churches within 30-40 miles of his because thats where they went & they would drive those distances. I just went a few times to observe. We settled on a church much closer but not Reformed Baptist because of that void. That is what I would have disagreed about!

 

[nodak]

Gentlemen, what I am about to say may shock some of you.

Women can lust.

Where are the sermons, the books, the rantings, the "its about time somebody said something" comments teaching men to dress and comport themselves modestly?

Ladies--why don't we speak up and tell them when they cause us to lust?

Is it perhaps because we accept responsibility for our own actions?

Ok gents--if we do that, maybe you should do that.

Now, I am all for BOTH genders dressing modestly.

But honestly, if you have a lust problem, YOU have a lust problem.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Gentlemen, what I am about to say may shock some of you.

Women can lust.

Where are the sermons, the books, the rantings, the "its about time somebody said something" comments teaching men to dress and comport themselves modestly?

Ladies--why don't we speak up and tell them when they cause us to lust?

Is it perhaps because we accept responsibility for our own actions?

Ok gents--if we do that, maybe you should do that.

Now, I am all for BOTH genders dressing modestly.

But honestly, if you have a lust problem, YOU have a lust problem.

Really....I always wondered who the guy who cheated on his wife was cheating with ....now I know! Thanks

 

[Scarlett O.]

Okay. I couldn't resist anymore. Had to listen. I found nothing objectionable. I think the hostile reaction is that of an innate feminism indignant that a man had the sand to tell a woman how she should dress.

No, brother, you are wrong on that criticism. It isn't the quasi-feminist in me that got her feathers ruffled - it's the conservative, modest, and prudent side of me that was flabbergasted. The QF in me hasn't offered a response. I don't think she has dog in that fight. :saint:

I have to ask - even though I already know the answer.. Would you be comfortable if a man talked to YOUR wife like that and used the exact words that this pastor did and told the story of the young man who wanted to slip his hand down the back of a woman when she bent over and he saw her panties?

You would be comfortable with a man talking TO your wife like that in your presence?

 

[Scarlett O.]

YES & he actually teaches ministers. LOL. Remember though he is in his 80's so factor that in. He was so popular at one time that that particular denom didnt build churches within 30-40 miles of his because thats where they went & they would drive those distances. I just went a few times to observe. We settled on a church much closer but not Reformed Baptist because of that void. That is what I would have disagreed about!

How old is this sermon in question?