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Christian Bush Haters?

LadyEagle

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Have Bill and Hillary Clinton or Ted Kennedy openly proclaimed their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior?
Bill Clinton has. And, he's a Southern Baptist, as is Al Gore.
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
I may have missed it but I have never heard Bill Clinton or al Gore mention the name of Jesus Christ.

The best description I have heard of Bill Clinton's faith was given by a black woman social worker from Texas [Huston I believe]. She said : "Every time Bill Clinton gets in trouble he sticks a 20# Bible under his arm and visits a Black church."
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
An example of the Christ like love exhibited toward President Bush posted on this Forum:

Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides
By DOUG THOMPSON
Aug 25, 2005, 06:19

While President George W. Bush travels around the country in a last-ditch effort to sell his Iraq war, White House aides scramble frantically behind the scenes to hide the dark mood of an increasingly angry leader who unleashes obscenity-filled outbursts at anyone who dares disagree with him.

“I’m not meeting again with that XXXXXXXXX XXXXX,” Bush screamed at aides who suggested he meet again with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother whose son died in Iraq. “She can go to XXXX as far as I’m concerned!”


Bush XXXXXXX the XXXX, something aides say he does often and has been doing since his days as governor of Texas.
Bush, administration aides confide, frequently explodes into tirades over those who protest the war, calling them “XXXXXXXXXXXXXX traitors.” He reportedly was so upset over Veterans of Foreign Wars members who wore “XXXXXXXX protectors” over their ears during his speech to their annual convention that he told aides to “tell those VFW XXXXXXXX that I’ll never speak to them again is they can’t keep their members under control.”

White House insiders say Bush is growing increasingly bitter over mounting opposition to his war in Iraq. Polls show a vast majority of Americans now believe the war was a mistake and most doubt the President’s honesty.

“Who XXXXX XX XXXXXX XXXX what the polls say,” he screamed at a recent strategy meeting. “I’m the President and I’ll do whatever I XXXXXXXXX please. They don’t XXXX XXXX.”

Bush, whiles setting up for a photo op for signing the recent CAFTA bill, XXXXXXXX an XXXXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX to reporters. Aides say the President often “XXXXX XXX XXXX” to show his displeasure and tells aides who disagree with him to “XX XX XXXX” or to “XX XXXX XXXXXXXX.” His habit of XXXXXX XXXXXX XXX XXXXXX goes back to his days as Texas governor, aides admit, and videos of him doing so before press conferences were widely circulated among TV stations during those days. A recent video showing him XXXXXXXX XXX XXXXXX to reporters while walking also recently surfaced.

Bush’s behavior, according to prominent Washington psychiatrist, Dr. Justin Frank, author of “Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President,” is all too typical of an alcohol-abusing bully who is ruled by fear.

To see that fear emerges, Dr. Frank says, all one has to do is confront the President. “To actually directly confront him in a clear way, to bring him out, so you would really see the bully, and you would also see the fear,” he says.

Dr. Frank, in his book, speculates that Bush, an alcoholic who brags that he gave up booze without help from groups like Alcoholics Anonymous, XXX XX XXXXXXX again.

“Two questions that the press seems particularly determined to ignore have hung silently in the air since before Bush took office,” Dr. Frank says. “Is he still drinking? And if not, is he impaired by all the years he did spend drinking? Both questions need to be addressed in any serious assessment of his psychological state.”

Last year, Capitol Hill Blue learned the White House physician prescribed anti-depressant drugs for the President to control what aides called “violent mood swings.” As Dr. Frank also notes: “In writing about Bush's halting appearance in a press conference just before the start of the Iraq War, Washington Post media critic Tom Shales speculated that ‘the president may have been ever so slightly medicated.’”

Dr. Frank explains Bush’s behavior as all-to-typical of an alcoholic who is still in denial:

“The pattern of blame and denial, which recovering alcoholics work so hard to break, seems to be ingrained in the alcoholic personality; it's rarely limited to his or her drinking,” he says. “The habit of placing blame and denying responsibility is so prevalent in George W. Bush's personal history that it is apparently triggered by even the mildest threat.”


© Copyright 2005 by Capitol Hill Blue

I have said all along that bush is a baby Christian who could be losing the civil war
that is raging inside his mind and clearly
his workout addiction takes the place of
past addictions but with a workout addiction
sooner or later your body breaks down or you
have an accident...of course he needs our prayers
but imho he needs to talk to somebody. imho

Although heavily edited the salient point is
we should be concerned and hope and pray he gets
some help either through spiritual miracle or
medical psychiatry under the eye of a Sovereign
God.
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
Romans 14:4 (ESV)
Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
 

church mouse guy

Well-Known Member
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Glad that we close these thread after 10 pages.

I think Jonah Goldberg said it best in a column at National Review Online about Storm Troopers vs. Cindy Sheehan:

The Constitution allows me to make a very long list of statements. I can say George W. Bush is in the pocket of Zionists and oil interests, as a certain woman hanging out in Crawford, Texas does. I can also say that George W. Bush is little bunny fru-fru hopping through the forest. I can say that the difference between him and a duck is ice cream because, after all, a vest has no sleeves.... In other words, I can say any crazy old thing I want. I can say America is a racist, sexist, homophobic country of hate with mean icing and a bigoted cherry on top. Or I can say that I have armadillos in my trousers.

In fact, I can actually put armadillos in my trousers (though I suspect there's barely room for one) and then say all of the above. Because, you see, I can make statements almost anywhere I like about almost anything I like. I can say it in Texas, I can say it in front of the White House. I can say it dressed like a mouse, I can say it like a souse.

Okay I hate rhymes. So enough of that.
 

LadyEagle

<b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>
I researched the Presidential Documents—the official collection of every public presidential statement. An examination of the mentions of Jesus Christ by George W. Bush and Bill Clinton showed that through 2003, Bush cited Jesus, or Jesus Christ, or Christ in 14 separate statements, compared to 41 by Clinton during his eight years in office. On average, Clinton mentioned Christ in 5.1 statements per year, which exceeded Bush’s 4.7.


Bush’s biggest year was 2001, when he mentioned Christ in seven statements. This was the year of September 11; he was especially introspective, and often looked upward for strength. In 2002, he cited Christ in five statements. Most interesting, in all of 2003, the Presidential Documents displayed only two statements in which Bush mentioned his Savior: the Easter and Christmas messages. It may be reasonable to conclude that the hostile press reaction to Bush’s mention of Jesus has pressured him into silence.

Such pressure was never placed on Bush’s Democratic predecessor. President Bill Clinton’s top year for Christ remarks was 1996—the year of his reelection campaign—when he spoke of Christ in nine separate statements. Clinton mentioned Christ almost twice as much in election years.


In addition, the Presidential Documents list only three incidences of Bush speaking in a church through his first three years. By contrast, Clinton spoke in churches 21 times, with over half in election years. And often what he said and did in these churches was blatantly partisan, from identifying New York’s Democratic Gov. Mario Cuomo as a “prophet” to instructing worshippers to go vote. No politician in modern times mixed politics and religion with complete impunity to the extent Bill Clinton did. Here is a mere sample:

“By the grace of God and your help, last year I was elected President.” Clinton, Church of God in Christ, Memphis, Tennessee, November 1993.

“Our ministry is to do the work of God here on Earth.” Clinton to a church in Temple Hills, Maryland, August 1994.

“God’s work must be our own. And there are many questions before us now in this last presidential election of the 20th century.” Clinton to a church in Newark, New Jersey, October 1996.

“The Scripture says, ‘While we have time, let us do good unto all men.’ And a week from Tuesday, it will be time for us to vote.” Clinton, Alfred Street Baptist Church, Alexandria, Virginia, October 29, 2000.

“But I am pleading with you. … I have done everything I know to do. … [But] you have to show. So talk to your friends, talk to your neighbors, talk to your family members, talk to your co-workers, and make sure nobody takes a pass on November 7th.” Clinton, Shiloh Baptist Church, Washington, D.C., October 29, 2000.
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/6325/CWA/freedom/
 

Baptist in Richmond

Active Member
OldRegular,

I was actually responding to LadyEagle's comments that were posted @ 6:19 PM.

If you are going to reply to me, please provide the proof that anyone has used the word "hate" to describe their feelings about the President. To reiterate: Any reply, other than providing that elusive proof for the claim that YOU made, is nothing more than abject fatuity.
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
A quote from the above site showing that the love of Jesus Christ really flows from Al Gore! [Emphasis mine]

Gore’s mouth tightened. A Southern Baptist, he, too, had declared himself born again, but he clearly had disdain for Bush’s public kind of faith. “It’s a particular kind of religiosity,” he said. “It’s the American version of the same fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia, in Kashmir, in religions around the world: Hindu, Jewish, Christian, Muslim. They all have certain features in common. In a world of disconcerting change, when large and complex forces threaten familiar and comfortable guideposts, the natural impulse is to grab hold of the tree trunk that seems to have the deepest roots and hold on for dear life and never question the possibility that it’s not going to be the source of your salvation. And the deepest roots are in philosophical and religious traditions that go way back. You don’t hear very much from them about the Sermon on the Mount, you don’t hear very much about the teachings of Jesus on giving to the poor, or the beatitudes. It’s the vengeance, the brimstone.”

Gore the tree hugger should know about tree trunks!
 

Baptist in Richmond

Active Member
Don't forget: if you are going to reply to me, please provide the proof that anyone has used the word "hate" to describe their feelings about the President. To reiterate: Any reply, other than providing that elusive proof for the claim that YOU made, is nothing more than abject fatuity.
 

LadyEagle

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As the president, a Southern Baptist, prepared to break bread with faith leaders, his home church in Little Rock was being urged by two Southern Baptist leaders to take some sort of disciplinary action against him for his behavior.

''I would just say the church cannot be silent. That would be cowardice,'' R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said during a news conference Thursday in Louisville, Ky.

Paige Patterson, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, agreed that Immanuel Baptist Church should exercise the seldom-used option. But Timothy George, dean of Beeson Divinity School at Samford University in Birmingham, Ala., said it would be unusual for a church to take such an action.

''You do hear of it every now and then, but it's pretty rare,'' George said.

Friday's breakfast offered Clinton another opportunity to seek forgiveness from an understanding audience for lying about his relationship with Lewinsky, a former White House intern. However, Clinton's aides held no illusions that it would be an easy sell for the president.

Some ministers, however, said they are more inclined to measure Clinton's worth by the totality of his actions, rather than one moral flaw.

''It's so sickening to me to see all this second-guessing and should-have, could-have, ought-to-have analysis from people who certainly haven't done any better if you look at their lives,'' said the Rev. James Dunn, director of the Washington-based Baptist Joint Committee.

Atif Harden, executive director of the American Muslim Council, said while Clinton has ''obviously slipped'' morally, it is up to the religious community to pull the nation toward forgiveness. His advice to Clinton was ''to continue to be honest with us, and pray.''

''Forgiveness is a big part of our faith, and tolerance,'' Harden said. ''The president has asked God to forgive him. That will be God's decision. I personally am prepared to forgive him.''
Source
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
Well LE like the Black lady said we know that Clinton had a lot of personal problems while in the office, and while out of the office! Perhaps that explains the disparity between Clinton and Bush.
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
Another quote from the site referenced by LE:

http://www.cwfa.org/articles/6325/CWA/freedom/

God talk by a conservative Republican like George W. Bush is not tolerated, whereas liberal Democrats can talk about God as much as they want, even for explicitly partisan purposes. The double standard is quite sad and unfair. This is America, and politicians on both sides ought to be able to freely exercise their faiths—without attack.
 

One View

New Member
Sorry, I'm with OldRegular.

It would not be, in my mind, outrageous to suggest that a topic such as “I know Bush needs our prayers but does he need medical help? “ is not conveying an genuine concern for his health, rather someone suggesting they hate Bush.

If you don't hate Bush, can't you just say so without all the court room drama?
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

Well-Known Member
This thread has yet to prove the contention of the OP, that any member of the BB hates President Bush. This kind of false accusation against your brothers and sisters in Christ is simply wrong. You do not make a false accusation right by repeating it - no more than I could do so if I kept saying that "Supposedly Christian members of the BB idolise President Bush."
 

Craigbythesea

Well-Known Member
I do not hate President Bush, but I believed that by calling himself a Christian he has seriously marred the image that many people around the world have of Christ and His teachings. From my point of view, Bush focuses on two or three issue that he believe to be of religious significance but then almost totally dismisses the teachings of Christ.

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