Why not? You write about young earth creationism and ID all the time. You even express your opinions about the inherent racism in neo-Darwinst theories, models and scenarios of human evolution in and out of Africa from time to time. Don't private and public high school teachers have an equal right to discuss the pros and cons of various beliefs, opinions, theories, models and scenarios of human origins as you and I do? Are they public servants or public slaves? Academic and religious freedom cry out for independent and free inquiry into the truth about human origins, and the state of California has no right to suppress free speech, religion or scientific enquiry in public schools, colleges and universities which are supported by public taxes and instituted for the benefit of all the people, not just a few neo-Darwinst race theorists and their 'naturally selected' academic acolytes.
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First they have to make monkeys out of us by teaching our children that human beings share common ancestry with African monkeys and apes.
This they will never accomplish now that Lubenow has scientifically falsified neo-Darwinst race theories of human evolution in his 2004 edition of "Bones of Contention."
Me too. That's why I recommend Lubenow's 2004 edition of "Bones of Contention" to anyone who wishes to scientifically label neo-Darwinst theories of human evolution in and out of Africa, racist theories.
I sympathize with your sincerely expressed sentiments here El_Guero, but you must see the silver lining in the clouds now that Lubenow has scientifically documented inherent racism in all neo-Darwinist theories, models, scenarios, opinions and teachings of human evolution in and out of Africa from non-human ancestors of African monkeys and apes.
This isn't an issue of persecution. It's an issue of whether they met the UC standards or not. </font>[/QUOTE]Oh, really? The last time I heard of a state discriminating in universities on the basis of religion and race was about 60-75 years ago in Europe.
It's not only a First Amendment issue, it is also a Civil Rights issue governing all 23 amendments to our Constitutional Bill of Rights.
The state cannot set "standards" which discriminate against either students or schools on the basis of race or religion.
That school would not be accredited by the state in the first place. Your analogy and comparison here is ridiculous.
UC's "requisite standards" are based on neo-Darwinist discriminatory racial theories of human origins though. Big difference.
"This they will never accomplish now that Lubenow has scientifically falsified neo-Darwinst race theories of human evolution in his 2004 edition of "Bones of Contention""
If this is true, then why is it that you seem completely unable to share with us just how it was flasified and instead are only able to keep repeating your "racism" mantra without regard for whether thatactually makes a difference as to whether the theory is true or not. He must not have done such a good job if as passionate an advocate as you are unable to regurgitate even a single fact, with references in the original scientific literature, in all these weeks that you have been making these claims.
If this is true, then why is it that you seem completely unable to share with us just how it was flasified and instead are only able to keep repeating your "racism" mantra without regard for whether thatactually makes a difference as to whether the theory is true or not. He must not have done such a good job if as passionate an advocate as you are unable to regurgitate even a single fact, with references in the original scientific literature, in all these weeks that you have been making these claims.
Right on El_Guero! Good post. What neo-Darwinist racial theorists fail to realize, recognize and admit 'scientifically,' is how religiously biased, opinionated and prejudicial their so-called 'scientfic'theories of human evolution in and out of Africa really are. They offer no definition, explantion or theory of race and racism in their so-called 'scientific' studies of scientific evolutionism, yet adamantly continue to deny that their own theories are racist regarding the origins of the human race.
The scientific basis of neo-Darwinist racism is so tenous, it's almost laughable except for the fact that the goverment continues to allow such racist beliefs and theories to be promulgated in public highschools, colleges and universities at taxpayer expense.
What's ironic is how Christians don't consider neo-Darwinist attacks on their religous beliefs as a discrete form of scientific racism since religious and racial discrimination amount to the same same sort of obnoxious thing in the eyes of U.S.law.Rather ironic, is it not?[/QB]
"Believing that you came from a monkey is not a scientific standard. It is a standard of faith."
There is exceedingly abundant evidence to show that humans share a common ancestor with extant monkeys and apes. The same can be said for the observation that all life on earth is related through common descent. It is undeniable. There is no other explanation for our observations that explains them nearly as well.
For some of the genetic evidence that shows our common ancestry with the apes, please see this thread.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/19.html#000000
For an example of the misrepresentations that fols like AIG will make to go against this truth, see this thread.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/103.html#000000
Here is another post that shows how AIG tells lies about what scientists says in order to try and build a case against the evidence for our human ancestors.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/19/7.html#000095
Here is a thread showing the links between birds and dinosaurs.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/89.html#000000
Here is one tracing the evolution of whales and its supporting evidence.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/23.html#000000
Here is mention of another recent find of a new transitional human on the line leading to humans.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/43.html#000000
Another recent fossil human.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/17.html#000000
A discussion about horse evolution. THis one is really good as a YEer actually engaged in discussion and was seeming to try and learn something.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/2.html#000000
And these are just a few recent threads on this forum having to do with just evolution. It completely excludes geology and astronomy. It barely scratches the surface of the new data that pops up every day in the research journals of the world.
And there is no, nada, zip, zilch theory from YE or ID that even makes a serious attempt at explaining these things much less any ideas that can actually do so.
There is exceedingly abundant evidence to show that humans share a common ancestor with extant monkeys and apes. The same can be said for the observation that all life on earth is related through common descent. It is undeniable. There is no other explanation for our observations that explains them nearly as well.
For some of the genetic evidence that shows our common ancestry with the apes, please see this thread.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/19.html#000000
For an example of the misrepresentations that fols like AIG will make to go against this truth, see this thread.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/103.html#000000
Here is another post that shows how AIG tells lies about what scientists says in order to try and build a case against the evidence for our human ancestors.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/19/7.html#000095
Here is a thread showing the links between birds and dinosaurs.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/89.html#000000
Here is one tracing the evolution of whales and its supporting evidence.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/23.html#000000
Here is mention of another recent find of a new transitional human on the line leading to humans.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/43.html#000000
Another recent fossil human.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/17.html#000000
A discussion about horse evolution. THis one is really good as a YEer actually engaged in discussion and was seeming to try and learn something.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/2.html#000000
And these are just a few recent threads on this forum having to do with just evolution. It completely excludes geology and astronomy. It barely scratches the surface of the new data that pops up every day in the research journals of the world.
And there is no, nada, zip, zilch theory from YE or ID that even makes a serious attempt at explaining these things much less any ideas that can actually do so.
Right on, TexasSky. Your post not only proves that you are from Texas, but have paid your taxes also and are entitled to equal representation in public high schools, college and institutions of higher learning such as the State University of Californy, as might be pronounced by it's current governor.
It's time to defend the Alamo by calling all neo-Darwinst theorists in public institutions racists, as Lubenow has so eloquently illustrated and documented all neo-Darwinist theorists to be in his 2004 edition of "Bones of contention."
I think I have made many posts on this thread that directly address the lack of any real discrimination in what is going on. I think it was also fair to ask if his claim was merely anecdotal or it had some basis in fact and to provide such facts if they exist. Finally, it was an accurate observation to note the multiple specific questions on this thread have been asked requesting support for some assertion or another. None have been answered. In fact, he has taken ignoring those who dsagree with him to a whole new level. Even when trying to respond to a critic, he phrases it as if he he is merely having a conversation with one of the posters who already agrees.
But I should not be surprised by YEers who refuse to engage in debate and who ignore direct requests for support of their questionable assertions. You seem to be the poster boy for avoiding any semblence of facts to support your assertions. I guess if I was headed to a gunfight with a plastic knife, I, too, my try and avoid getting cornered by those nasty little things called facts.
But I should not be surprised by YEers who refuse to engage in debate and who ignore direct requests for support of their questionable assertions. You seem to be the poster boy for avoiding any semblence of facts to support your assertions. I guess if I was headed to a gunfight with a plastic knife, I, too, my try and avoid getting cornered by those nasty little things called facts.
Most often, those claims are made based on the issue of "observation", selectively claiming that past evolution cannot be "observed". However, they disregard the fact that observations in the fossil record qualfy as observation. </font>[/QUOTE]Creationist 'observations in the human fossil record' though, disprove and falsify neo-Darwinist racial theories of human evolution from African monkey or ape ancestors, thus proving that neo-Darwinist theories about human ancestry are both anti-Christian and racist theories.
Wanna bet? Neo-Darwinist race theorists use science as a way of intimidating and threatening Christian students and highschools who dare lable neo-Darwinist theories about human evolution as being inherently racist as Lubenow adequately documents in his 2004 edition of "Bones of Contention."
You're about due for another conversion by proponents of anti-neo-Darwinist race theories about the true origins of the human race.
"Creationist 'observations in the human fossil record' though, disprove and falsify neo-Darwinist racial theories of human evolution from African monkey or ape ancestors..."
There's another questionable assertion that I can easily predict will not be backed up with all those well documented facts that you claim to have at your disposal in Lub's book.
You avoided making specific references for a long time. Then you went, once, and gave a specific claim with a reference. It was easily shown that the reference said something different than what you claimed. You have not tried again.
YE and ID are intellectual failures. They have no basis in fact and no ability to account for the variety of observations of the creation.
They do make a lot of money for their leaders, however.
There's another questionable assertion that I can easily predict will not be backed up with all those well documented facts that you claim to have at your disposal in Lub's book.
You avoided making specific references for a long time. Then you went, once, and gave a specific claim with a reference. It was easily shown that the reference said something different than what you claimed. You have not tried again.
YE and ID are intellectual failures. They have no basis in fact and no ability to account for the variety of observations of the creation.
They do make a lot of money for their leaders, however.
Since you do not understand English, would you prefer discrimination defined in: Japanese; Spanish; French; German; Hebrew; Greek; or Russian?
Without looking at the individual students, UC has chosen to make a distinction based upon the class (no pun intended) WITHOUT regard to individual merit.
Again, I say that EACH AND EVERY Christian should stand beside these young Christians as they fight against the unfair descrimination.