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Travelsong
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The Scriptures do not explicitly state or even imply that there is such a thing as an "evil form" of music.
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Confessions of a Former Worship Leader
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I stand by my previous statement, Aaron. The Holy Spirit has repeatedly shown me that all the readings of the Bible, hundreds of sermons personally prepared and preached, the multiple readings of the entire Bible, the 21 years of ministry experience, etc. (ad nauseum, pls. forgive me, Lord) have given me a phenomenal strength and wisdom IN HIM. None of my pre-regenerate reading, studying, and preaching,full-time Christian service, Christian college training, continuing education, etc. were in vain. The acuity that I presently possess because of His grace in salvation has repeatedly stunned me and has been mercifully used for the benefit and help of many people that He has privileged me to minister to in the last 8 months of true regeneration. He is so good!
What is so hard to see about this? The Holy Spirit has just activated the full complement of experiences, education, and tools listed above. That's the only change.
I don't think it takes rocket science to see this and understand this. Do the rest of you (beyond Aaron) get where I am coming from? Please feel free to respond.
Please do me a favor--do not take this as the spirit of arrogance. All of what I am and can do is of His grace and by His mercy. I get that. I don't think I am anybody special. I am just a sinner saved by grace that God has graciously chosen to redeem and use for His glory! I count all of my education, experience, etc. as loss for the privilege of getting to know Him better. I truly mean that from my heart.
Can any of you relate? Speak up.
What is so hard to see about this? The Holy Spirit has just activated the full complement of experiences, education, and tools listed above. That's the only change.
I don't think it takes rocket science to see this and understand this. Do the rest of you (beyond Aaron) get where I am coming from? Please feel free to respond.
Please do me a favor--do not take this as the spirit of arrogance. All of what I am and can do is of His grace and by His mercy. I get that. I don't think I am anybody special. I am just a sinner saved by grace that God has graciously chosen to redeem and use for His glory! I count all of my education, experience, etc. as loss for the privilege of getting to know Him better. I truly mean that from my heart.
Can any of you relate? Speak up.
Dale McNamee
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Dear Daniel,
I understand and can relate fully to what you've experienced and your description of your experiences.
I went through the same 30 years ago when I became a Christian and over those years God has used the gifts that He gave me to glorify Him!
In Christ,
Dale
I understand and can relate fully to what you've experienced and your description of your experiences.
I went through the same 30 years ago when I became a Christian and over those years God has used the gifts that He gave me to glorify Him!
In Christ,
Dale
Now, enough about you. Could you now apply your "phenomenal wisdom" to the questions that were posed? Thank you.
The Scriptures do not explicitly state or even imply that there is such a thing as an "evil form" of music. </font>[/QUOTE]Travelsong, I haven't been avoiding your question. The New & Improved Phenomenally Wise Daniel has asserted that the Bible does not address musical styles, Something I believe I effectively rebutted with Scripture. Whether you think that the Scriptures say certain styles are wrong or not is not the issue yet.
Can we agree that the Scriptures at least address them, even vaguely?
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Travelsong
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The Bible mentions clothing too Aaron
The Bible mentions gender
The Bible mentions a lot of things
The Bible does mention what purpose music is to be put to - it does NOT mention style
The Bible also mentions your attitude towards new believers and It let me paraphrase tells you to shut up.
Young in faith or young in age is no reason to dismiss or belittle someone's opinion.
The Bible mentions gender
The Bible mentions a lot of things
The Bible does mention what purpose music is to be put to - it does NOT mention style
The Bible also mentions your attitude towards new believers and It let me paraphrase tells you to shut up.
Young in faith or young in age is no reason to dismiss or belittle someone's opinion.
Sularis, I'll take that as a no.
Anyone else? Bonga Dale? Beaner? Daniel?
BTW if you want to see how I respond to new converts, please CLICK HERE .
But in this thread, Daniel presented his recent conversion and "phenomenal strength and wisdom" as credentials for his authority to make certain judgments. He submitted them as evidence, and I had to rebut it.
If he had addressed the actual arguments with something other than his personal experiences, this thread would have gone a little smoother.
Anyone else? Bonga Dale? Beaner? Daniel?
BTW if you want to see how I respond to new converts, please CLICK HERE .
But in this thread, Daniel presented his recent conversion and "phenomenal strength and wisdom" as credentials for his authority to make certain judgments. He submitted them as evidence, and I had to rebut it.
If he had addressed the actual arguments with something other than his personal experiences, this thread would have gone a little smoother.
Aaron your attitude towards Daniel is truly sad. You are showing very little respect towards someone who obviously has a heart for God. I enjoyed reading this thread because it had valuable information in it from both sides. Your attitude is exactly the attitude that many on the "contemporary" side find so nauseating. You personally attack someone for talking about personal experience. You did not rebut anything, you simply kept to your close mindedness and condemnation of something very positive (CCM). This might help since you seem to have such a grasp on this subject. Outline exactly why CCM is wrong. Don't refute anything, just outline in one post why CCM is wrong. This way we can have a clear view of your argument in an ordely fashion. If it helps just give us 10 talking points. Just 5 or 10 reasons, supported by scripture (not experience because that's not good enough for you) for all of us to work with.
bruren...I plan on it! I just try to avoid traps and petty arguments. When the Bible doesn't speak on something it doesn't speak on something. It's that simple!
Thanks for the encouragement. I have been overwhelmed in the actual public forum and by the many PMs sent to me. Thanks to all!!
I will get back to you in the PMs when I have a few minutes to respond to them all...
Thanks for the encouragement. I have been overwhelmed in the actual public forum and by the many PMs sent to me. Thanks to all!!
Dale McNamee
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Dear Sularis,
Great post!
In Christ,
Dale
Great post!
In Christ,
Dale
Dale McNamee
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Dear Aaron,
Scripture itself does not assign evil or good to styles of music,only the purposes that music may be used for.
What makes music evil is intent,content,and context. All of these come from within a person since we compose music with intent,context,to be played in paticular contexts.
In Christ,
Dale
Scripture itself does not assign evil or good to styles of music,only the purposes that music may be used for.
What makes music evil is intent,content,and context. All of these come from within a person since we compose music with intent,context,to be played in paticular contexts.
In Christ,
Dale
Dale McNamee
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I wrote: " All of these come from within a person since we compose music with intent,context,to be played in paticular contexts."
It should read: " All of these come from within a person since we compose music with intent and content ,to be played in particular contexts."
In Christ,
Dale
It should read: " All of these come from within a person since we compose music with intent and content ,to be played in particular contexts."
In Christ,
Dale
I am in total agreement with you, Dale. Wherever this is not an absolute in the Scriptures, we can only look at the intent, content, and context.
There is no way to ever agree on what is The appropriate music style to communicate our praise to and worship of God.
No "list" is available, appropriate, or universal.
There is no way to ever agree on what is The appropriate music style to communicate our praise to and worship of God.
No "list" is available, appropriate, or universal.
The count is now 4 yes and 1 no.
Daniel you appear to have changed your vote. Where before you were emphatic the Bible did not address them, you seem compelled by the consensus of your friends to concede the point as well.
(Sularis actually voted yes & no, so I took it as a no.)
Okay. We are agreed. The Bible does indeed address musical styles.
What does it say? I'm not looking for a book-length response here. whatever simply said the Bible tells us to "use whatever we have to praise the Lord." That's the kind of thing I'm looking for, only I want you to provide a Scriptural reference—and,no, you don't get to copy each other.
(This is working up to an answer for your question, Travelsong.)
Daniel you appear to have changed your vote. Where before you were emphatic the Bible did not address them, you seem compelled by the consensus of your friends to concede the point as well.
(Sularis actually voted yes & no, so I took it as a no.)
Okay. We are agreed. The Bible does indeed address musical styles.
What does it say? I'm not looking for a book-length response here. whatever simply said the Bible tells us to "use whatever we have to praise the Lord." That's the kind of thing I'm looking for, only I want you to provide a Scriptural reference—and,no, you don't get to copy each other.
(This is working up to an answer for your question, Travelsong.)
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