Death before the age of accountability

[MennoSota]

• God the Father didn't murder Christ. The Romans & Jews, through Satan, had Jesus placed on a wooden cross.
• God the Son didn't die. The Son of Man died the 2nd death.

Where do I say that God killed God.

I said that God the Father ordained that God the Son be sacrificed for the atonement of the elect.
God ordained that the leaders of Israel would reject the Messiah and the Roman ruler and soldiers would kill God the Son so that God's adopted children might be redeemed.

Do you struggle with grasping God's sovereignty?

 

[utilyan]

God the Father ordained God the Son's death on the cross. God the Son said, "Not my will be done, but your will be done.", in relation to the cross.

If you say GOD killed Jesus Christ, you win.


He's on the ropes right here.


If God did not kill Jesus Christ then who did?


" Satan has nothing to do with God's design. Satan does not hold some part of God hostage. When God chooses to do something, it is all for His sovereign purpose and our opinion of God's purpose is irrelevant, short-sighted and childish."

 

[AndThisGospel]

I said that God the Father ordained that God the Son be sacrificed for the atonement of the elect.

1. What do you mean by ordained?
2. Jesus death was a corporate death for "all men", not just "the elect".

 

[Yeshua1]

God is Sovereign. He creates humans with physical defects so that He might use them for His glory. Recall the disciples asking Jesus if the man's parents had sinned because the man was blind from birth. Jesus response was no.
God created each of my nephews and niece with the genetic disease, for a glorious reason. Their lives marked God's goodness, kindness and grace as they taught us to persevere in all things.
No, they were not flawed because of sin. They were fearfully and wonderfully made by God, exactly as He intended, so they might be a witness to his goodness.

All humans come endowed by thir Creator, so they would be perfect masterpieces of His, especially now!

 

[Yeshua1]

If you say GOD killed Jesus Christ, you win.


He's on the ropes right here.


If God did not kill Jesus Christ then who did?


" Satan has nothing to do with God's design. Satan does not hold some part of God hostage. When God chooses to do something, it is all for His sovereign purpose and our opinion of God's purpose is irrelevant, short-sighted and childish."

God the Fathe rordained that Jesus would die as the suffering Messiah, Jesus agreed with that, and God used dsires andplans of sinners to bringit to pass!

 

[Yeshua1]

1. What do you mean by ordained?
2. Jesus death was a corporate death for "all men", not just "the elect".

God had decreed/determined that Jesus would die for sinners, ad that His death would purchase back the elect of humanity, not all humanity!

 

[Yeshua1]

That would be a sadistic god who, out of his own ego, caused physical defects for his own personal lime light.

In His sovereignty Jesus, who is God, didn't override this man's defects from birth so that He might heal his blindness as a witness that He was the Son of God.



Yes, they were fearfully and wonderfully made by God in Adam (Gen 2:7/Acts 17:26/Ps 139:13-16) God made Adam before sin entered the world. If God creates individuals, this side of the fall, then God is designing sinners . That would make Him the author of sin and death instead of Satan.

You then call Jesus a Liar, as he said that the man blind was not due to his own sins, or his parents, as that was to be to the glory of God!

 

[Yeshua1]

Where do I say that God killed God.

I said that God the Father ordained that God the Son be sacrificed for the atonement of the elect.
God ordained that the leaders of Israel would reject the Messiah and the Roman ruler and soldiers would kill God the Son so that God's adopted children might be redeemed.

Do you struggle with grasping God's sovereignty?

The death of Jesu was predertermined by the Father and Son, and He used sinners decisons to bring that to pass!

Isaiah ties into this, as it was the Will of God to crush him for our sins..

 

[AndThisGospel]

All humans come endowed by thir Creator, so they would be perfect masterpieces of His, especially now!

You've got to be kidding me?

If we were in the image of God we would be

• immortal
• sinless

 

[AndThisGospel]

...His death would purchase back the elect of humanity, not all humanity!

Oh, and you just happened to be handpicked by God while others He damns to hell....?

What a crock....This is nothing more than "glorifying in the flesh"....This is a pretense....

 

[AndThisGospel]

God had decreed/determined that Jesus would die for sinners....

God didn't put Jesus on a cross....The Romans, backed by the unbelieving Jews, did...

 

[AndThisGospel]

You then call Jesus a Liar, as he said that the man blind was not due to his own sins, or his parents, as that was to be to the glory of God!

The Pharisees claimed that he was blind due to some sin (i.e., transgression)....The fact is he was blind because of the fall of Adam. No fault of his own this man's ancestors passed to him bad genetics. Because God has allowed, for a purpose, sin to progress Jesus used this occasion to bring glory to God.

 

[utilyan]

It sounds to me like you guys believe God murdered Jesus Christ, giving us all these "rights" God has to murder Jesus Christ, rather then flat out saying he did or did not murder Jesus Christ.

Which is it?

 

[MennoSota]

The Pharisees claimed that he was blind due to some sin (i.e., transgression)....The fact is he was blind because of the fall of Adam. No fault of his own this man's ancestors passed to him bad genetics. Because God has allowed, for a purpose, sin to progress Jesus used this occasion to bring glory to God.

John 9:3

"It was not because of his sins or his parents sins, Jesus answered. This happened so the power of God could be seen in him."

The man, being created blind by God, was not randomly created with no sight because of Adam's sin (not the sins of his parents...that goes back to Adam). God uniquely created the man without sight so that God might use his blindness for God's sovereign purpose.

 

[Yeshua1]

You've got to be kidding me?

If we were in the image of God we would be

• immortal
• sinless

No, we ar in Hisimage as to being able to have a relationship with God, to know that we are alive, feels, haveemotional, have intelligence..We hae some of His image, NOT His divne attributes!

 

[Yeshua1]

Oh, and you just happened to be handpicked by God while others He damns to hell....?

What a crock....This is nothing more than "glorifying in the flesh"....This is a pretense....

I thank Godthat HE savd me, and also think that all who are lot are choosngto go there, God not damning them there..

 

[Yeshua1]

God didn't put Jesus on a cross....The Romans, backed by the unbelieving Jews, did...

It was the will of the Father tha Messaih would come and die.... The Father decreed that to happen, ad the Son accepted willingly!

 

[utilyan]

John 9:3

"It was not because of his sins or his parents sins, Jesus answered. This happened so the power of God could be seen in him."

The man, being created blind by God, was not randomly created with no sight because of Adam's sin (not the sins of his parents...that goes back to Adam). God uniquely created the man without sight so that God might use his blindness for God's sovereign purpose.

IF that were the case scripture would have said he was transformed rather then HEALED, being that his original form is blind.

All it would have done is sovereignly prove God is an idiot. God is not an idiot who has to prove "purpose" to folks who would only "get it" if they themselves were healed too.

You want to blur the lines between God ALLOWING and GOD DOING.


Your gonna tap out soon brother, Cause your own make it up as you go along rules don't work when applied to Jesus Suffering.


If you say GOD killed Jesus Christ, you win.
If God did not kill Jesus Christ then who did?
" Satan has nothing to do with God's design. Satan does not hold some part of God hostage. When God chooses to do something, it is all for His sovereign purpose and our opinion of God's purpose is irrelevant, short-sighted and childish."

 

[Yeshua1]

The Pharisees claimed that he was blind due to some sin (i.e., transgression)....The fact is he was blind because of the fall of Adam. No fault of his own this man's ancestors passed to him bad genetics. Because God has allowed, for a purpose, sin to progress Jesus used this occasion to bring glory to God.

God used this sickness unto His glory, JUST as he uses all humans in his image who have defornities to bring glory to his name, and who know Christ!

 

[MennoSota]

IF that were the case scripture would have said he was transformed rather then HEALED, being that his original form is blind.

All it would have done is sovereignly prove God is an idiot. God is not an idiot who has to prove "purpose" to folks who would only "get it" if they themselves were healed too.

You want to blur the lines between God ALLOWING and GOD DOING.


Your gonna tap out soon brother, Cause your own make it up as you go along rules don't work when applied to Jesus Suffering.


If you say GOD killed Jesus Christ, you win.
If God did not kill Jesus Christ then who did?
" Satan has nothing to do with God's design. Satan does not hold some part of God hostage. When God chooses to do something, it is all for His sovereign purpose and our opinion of God's purpose is irrelevant, short-sighted and childish."

I have no idea what you are arguing with me about.

Do you struggle with the term "ordained?"