This was after the Soviet Union ended. He would not have received such a trial in that regime; he would simply have been shot at the time of his arrest.
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Death Penalty: My view
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canadyjd
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Ok, but I don’t think any communist model of justice is preferable to USA.
peace to you
That’s your opinion. But if I was ever to excersize my vote, I would want anyone harming the innocent exterminated.
1689Dave
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Do you love Christ enough to die upholding his teaching on non-resistance of evil? I do, how about you and some of the others?
canadyjd
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Not opinion. Easily discernible fact.
Your advocation of kidnapping, torture, mutilation, and murder as “mercy” is directly contrary to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ on “mercy”.
I’m certain you can see that. Do you believe on this issue, you may ignore the teachings of our Lord Jesus? Do you think your way is better than what our Lord Jesus has commanded?
If I could exercise my vote, I would want anyone harming anyone to be shown mercy, repent and believe the gospel, and embrace to life changing love of almighty God.
Peace to you
37818
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They were from the start not prosecuting the man, only the woman which was contrary to the Law. They were letting the man off. So Jesus let the woman off. To do so, He had to allow mercy at that time for the man to cause them to walk away and let the woman go.
canadyjd
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I don’t disagree with any of that. They were judging with bias and this was a death penalty case.
Jesus makes reference to the OT law requiring two or three witnesses. They had the two or three witnesses there to make the allegation.
Jesus changed that standard from “two or three” witnesses to “one without sin” bringing the allegation. I find that to be very important in understanding our approach to the death penalty.
Especially coupled with the 1 Timothy 1:15-16 command to show mercy to the worst of sinners, even murderers like Paul, I simply don’t believe Christians should support the death penalty.
peace to you
Well, I don't agree with you, BUT I can see where you are coming from, and it's a point worth considering!
Scripture More Accurately
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Jesus did not change the standard. Years later, Paul shows that the same standard was still in place concerning witnesses (2 Cor. 13:1).
There is no command in 1 Tim. 1:15-16.
Moreover, late in his life, Paul himself believed that there were crimes that were worthy of the death penalty:
Acts 25:11
For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.
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I can live with that as long as they execute them. American will then rest easy knowing there are less child abusers in our neighborhoods. The only other possible solution to extermination could be sterilization but I’d want to study the topic more thoroughly. If after sterilization these creeps still want to molest then it would not work. If the prison inmates would take it upon themselves to do the job, then that could be another consideration.
I personally find it difficult to understand why anyone would target innocent children... I mean, what woman would consider marrying them... but there are all types, probably psychologically despondent low self esteem types who think they can change the deviant personality type.. generally liberal thinkers with idealistic World views. The problem is that Idealism is for those who can never come to terms with reality nor the world as it is. Such people are mad and I fear that this madness is spreading... in our homes, in our places of worship, in our government, in our country as a whole. In the future, actually beginning now, America will be run—and ultimately distorted— by these fools. Trump stressed, though I confess to despising him, he said that America will never be conquered from without but from vandals within. I fear he is only too right.
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canadyjd
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37818
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Jesus in His recorded ministry did no such thing regarding the death penalty. Jesus' words ". . . He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. . . ." Is what prompted them to leave. ". . . they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: . . ." Jesus did not change His Law He gave Moses. That is a lie to claim He did in saying what He did.
canadyjd
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Paul clearly states in 1 Timothy 1:15-16 that Jesus showed him mercy as an example to be followed by future Christians.
How can that not be viewed as a command from our Lord Jesus to show mercy to the worst of sinners, even murderers like Paul?
peace to you
Scripture More Accurately
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Because there is no command in those verses at all. Look at both the English text and the Greek text. There are no imperatives in either verse.
canadyjd
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canadyjd
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So, Paul saying Jesus showed him mercy as an example to be followed by future Christians was a ….. suggestion?
When scripture says Jesus has given me an example to follow, I consider that a command. I’m not going to look for grammar loopholes to avoid obedience.
peace to you
Scripture More Accurately
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The passage does not say that the example was given for other believers to follow what Jesus did. The passage is saying that Paul is a pattern of how Jesus will bestow similar mercy unto salvation for all who will believe, just as Paul did.
1 Timothy 1:15-16
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first
Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering,
for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Paul was the first who became a pattern of the many upon whom Jesus would show forth all longsuffering . . .
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Do you think that Christ was an idealist?
While Russia still seems dictatorial today, they've supposedly renounced communism. I believe they were still trying to show the world they'd renounced when they had that trial, figuring that trial would show the world they'd become "democratic". But I'll agree that the US system is still better than theirs.
That’s because we are really Capitalists. Democracy is just a play word.
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