Depression

Kate,

Is it possible for you to discuss this maturely or should I expect to hear more name calling in the future? It doesn't really bother me except I sure wish you would practice what you preached. You haven't stopped twisting my words yet.

So what does he say is the answer? The question isn't whether we experience depression, the question is what is the cure. It can be found right here in the text.

How does this prove that God does not heal depression?

Does this verse say that the right way is to excuse the condition by calling it a disease and taking a pill?

This IS the right way, and because I love my brother/sister in Christ I want to lead them to the ONLY way out of it!

Love rejoices with the truth! The truth is that God is THE answer! It is a loving thing to do to share that with them. It is NOT loving to let them stay in their depressed state, by only covering up the symptom and not curing the problem.

For the record, love is also not rude or easily angered and keeps no records of wrongs.

When did I say I was all good and righteous? Again you are accusing me of things I never said. Did you ever read the verse about bearing false witness against your neighbor?

Funny you use a verse telling you not to judge your neighbor in order to judge me! I like that one!!

Still, none of these verses talk about depression and how God is not the answer for it.

How many times do I have to tell you I never said it was a sin!

And just why did this happen? What was the answer of coming out of it?

These do not prove depression is a disease! They prove that people were depressed and GOD freed them from it.

Is the companion inspired? doesn't this say that even if it is a chemical imbalance that God had a way of dealing with it???

Why do you keep reading all the companions? Why not just read the word?? Do any of them tell you God is NOT the answer? If so they are wrong, if not you have only helped prove MY point.

I have belittled no one, I have only spoken what God's Word tells me. I haven't even called you vicious! If sharing God's Word with people upsets them I can't help that.

WHERE?

Yeah, see we have all those things within us if we only walk in the Spirit to see them

~Lorelei

 

For the record, this is not nor was it ever a couseling situation. I thought it was a thread about depression. I speak matter of factly and to the points, because I am not attempting to assist an individual who is depressed, I am showing what the Bible says about depression.

To accuse me of being unloving to a situation is sort of silly.

You can only guess at how I would handle an actual situation and since we aren't to judge other's motives I think it would benefit this thread if people would not try to do so.

The thread isn't about me, it's about depression and I was hoping about what God's Word had to offer on the subject. Can we get back to discussing that?


~Lorelei

 

Let me clarify my statement then. No one who says depression is a medical illness has used any scripture that supports their claim. The only scriptures they have used confirms that God is the answer for depression.

I never claimed to be infallible nor have I said that I am talented at putting my thoughts into words correctly.


~Lorelei

 

Tell that to the people that feel it necessary to call me names. I have been labeled unloving, startling, insane, vicious, a stiff necked fool, and a twister of Words. Now they are even insinuating that I have lied at worst or at best "am confused".

I honestly don't mind being on the other side of that mentality.

~Lorelei

 

His depression was not an illness.
</font>[/QUOTE]I'm sorry dear, is that what you thought I meant by illness? No dear I meant the boils and scabs. Never the less, you seem to have missed my point entirely. We should show love and compassion to all human beings. God didn't say to love only the loveable, or the ones who agree with us, or the ones who we feel are deserving.

Laurenda, I have been praying for you. I'm glad to see you here. You had us all worried about you. God bless you and keep you close to him in your times of trial. I pray that when Christians can't understand what you go through that you will have the Lord's strength to withstand it. Forgive them, and know that I believe you and I am praying for you. Please pm me if you need a shoulder to cry on or someone to talk to. I am here for you if you need me.

Charlotte

 

I thought this was a sad statement about the state of our churches not a positive one.

My apologies if my comments hi-jacked the purpose of your thread.

~Lorelei

 

thought I lost a post

 

I am glad that you have access to knowing how little thought I put into answering them, and I am glad you don't seem to think you know it all.

I ask again, can we refrain from judging other people's motives?

~Lorelei

 

Wow! I never read this thread, but it has caught
my attention today!! 8oD It reminds me of when
my children would get up grumpy. I would send
them back to bed and make them get up on the
other side. If that didn't work the first time, we
would do it again, even if they had to crawl out
at the foot of the bed. If that didn't work, I would
make them close their eyes tigtly and snore loudly
before they could get up again. This would always
end in giggles and the day would go better for all.

Anybody need to go back to bed?

Anybody need a good old-fashioned giggle
session?

I know. I know. Some of you are SURE you hate
me now. 8oD

 

I have made points that I think are valid and important. If someone is suffering from depression, I hope they don't give up faith and hope in God. I hope they realize that He alone can free them from their struggle, for He alone is our hope.

I am leaving this thread now, God Bless.

~Lorelei

 

You are so funny Abiyah. I sometimes send my son to take a shower and wash his bad attitude right down the drain. It seems to work pretty well. We should be careful though commenting on the tone this thread has taken. Tempers are already at a high threshold.

Charlotte, that was very sweet of you but I turned my p.m. capability off. I found that people are just a little freeer with their animosity behind closed doors, and I can't handle it. I appreciate the offer though. I see someone quoted you as saying something that you don't seem to have said. That looks suspicious.

 

Excuse me, I have read all of what you and the others have written. I find that most all of you have been unkind and judgemental to each other. No, I cannot quote scripture proving either point, because I just got back into the religious aspects a few months ago. I have no doubt forgot more than I remember. I chose to read this, because I am depressed and I have been fighting it on my own for over a year. I have become angry, mean, extremely sad, and lost my interest in everything. I feel like I do not like myself anymore and I don't want my children to suffer. I have had some of these same arguements with myself. I grew up in a christian school and was at the church more than I was home. What drove me away from the church was hypocrites, and judgemental people. I have come back to the church, because I thought that God would help me. I also remembered feeling very content and happy when I was right with God. I have a long way to go, and I won't pretend to be a "good christian", but I want to try. After reading all of this I think I have realized three things:
1. God does not "give" us these things, the devil does. God is there to help us handle what the devil gives us.
2. "God helps them that helps themselves". He gave man the intelligence and understanding to research, study and discover treatment for all ailments, whether they be diseases or not. He gave us science and doctors and allowed them to learn.
3. I have learned a great deal about being self-righteous in the past few years. I used to judge people by "my" standards and my experiences. I have been thru alot lately and it seems to be that everytime I look back at my attitude towards others, I can know say I know how they feel. Before I could not, I had never "been there", so I thought it was a bunch of excuses, or whinning. Sometimes I think he may have allowed me to go thru these things to teach me not to judge.
Thank you for your attention.

 

You're right--they don't want to admit it. However, I'm still going to HELP (not cure) their depressive symptoms just as I'll continue to treat non-believers' other medical problems as well. (Or on second thought, perhaps I'll tell them that they just need Jesus and to be well and let them go on their way and that their diabetes, pneumonia, strep throat, osteoarthritis, et al will just take care of itself, those bunch of heathens... )

Sadly, many people are like that. They resist the Holy Spirit. Many people do not WANT to listen to the gospel, and if it wasn't the "pills", they'd come up with another excuse. Read the parable of the sower--many have hearts of stone and don't care for spiritual things.
Until they are ready to hear (ie convicted and drawn by the Holy Spirit) no amount of preaching will change their minds. Keep praying for the Holy Spirit to soften her heart.

 

I'm not the one who refuses to answer, I'm not the one calling people faithless saying they are of a false religion.

I never ever said said anywhere that God does not heal. I never ever said that medication is all a person needs. Please show where I did.

So you would help thm by attcking them and their faith in God like you have here?

Your telling the rest of us we are faithless, and you are not.

Still putting words in my mouth, I never said that.

Again, I didn't say that, your quote does not contain that.

Again, putting words in my mouth. What it does prove is that it is not a lack of faith as you ahve said. Unless you want to say all these men had no faith in God and compare them to muslims.

Scroll up and see.

You have already judged, from your very first post, without listening to anyones story, without caring.

 

I am quit tired of this topic and tring to show God loves even those who have depression and no where in scripture does to them what you have done to them. Nor does He give you premission to do it. I have tried to resonably discuss this with you, you have refused to be resonable, but run in circles, never answering what has been asked of you. You put words inot peoples mouth that they did not say, you do the same with God. You read things into the bible that aren't there, yet refuse to believe it when those in the bible were depressed and yet no where does it say it was a faith problem, you made that up and then tried to impose it on others.
All in all you've acted in an unreasonable manner, unchristian manner, accusing people of what even God does not accuse them of.
So I am through with you,and I pray you necer counsel someone with real problems. I feel for your poor mother.

 

Hi Christine. I feel the same way about the trial of depression. Hard learned lessons of humility, compassion and how to be appreciative of blessings when they come. This is the common thing that I have found most people say they have learned through this trial. I think that God is teaching these lessons to me by allowing me to deal with this. I lean on Him. Sometimes rather heavily.

God bless you.

 

You are right, of course, Laurenda. I was just
amazed at the animosity and judgments I saw as I
would screen by this thread. I have neve seen
anything quite like it here.

People are really hurting here. I pray that
compassion and understanding will be
demonstrated here from now on.

After my own 42 years of depression, you,
especially, Laurenda, know that I have seen the
dark side of this issue as well as experienced
the healing.

Healing does not come automaticaly or quickly,
I know, because the one going through it must
really Go Through It in order to reach that place
where they can be healed.

You precious people who are going through it,
may our God bless you with recovery -- you're
going to Love It!! 8o)