So you are saying Jesus was conceived of sinful flesh?
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So you are saying Jesus was conceived of sinful flesh?
Silverhair
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READ HER WORDS. How is what I said misinterpreting her words?
Luk_1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!
Mary knew she was a sinner and needed a savior.
Did mary say God is her savior? Is Jesus God? Is Jesus our savior? Do sinners need a savior?
If you say yes to these questions then you have to agree that mary was a sinner who called God/ Jesus her savior.
What words do you not understand? You are arguing based on the RCC dogma not the bible.
Silverhair
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The bible say He was conceived by a sinful woman that needed a savior just as the rest of us do.
Show me the biblical text that says mary was sinless. Since you can not do so it is just private interpretation by fallen men that you are following.
You know that I am telling you the truth but you struggle against ti as it goes against the years of indoctrination that you have had in the RCC.
If you will not trust the Word of God what hope is there for you?
We say Mary was saved, but saved from sin altogether. God saved her from falling into sin in the first place.
You jump to the erroneous conclusion that her being saved, meant she was a sinner.
So in sin was Jesus conceived by Mary and He was shapen in iniquity?
You saying Jesus was a sinner from conception, you realise that right?
Silverhair
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That is private interpretation on the part of the RCC and you. The bible is clear that see was a sinner in need of a savior.
How else can you understand "my spirit rejoices in God my Savior?"
You rail against private interpretation and that claim private interpretation is ok if the RCC does it.
37818
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He being the Son of God, God the Creator, being incarnate to be a real man is sinless being He is God too.
Luke 18:19.
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Silverhair
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That is not what I am saying and you know it so you are being dishonest in your comments. If you have to resort to that tactic than you know you have lost the argument.
You did not bother to answer my questions did you, why is that?
Did mary say God is her savior? Is Jesus God? Is Jesus our savior? Do sinners need a savior?
Since you can not be honest with me perhaps you can not honest with yourself.
As said you can either believe the bible or the RCC but not both. The choice is yours.
You are the private interpreter of scripture from the tradition of private interpreters.
The Catholic Church maintains the same Apostolic interpretation for 2000 years.
You can’t get a sinless Jesus conceived from sinful flesh. Sorry, completely false and incoherent.
No doubt another private interpreter has built on your erroneous private interpretation and concluded in honesty to his position that Jesus must have been a sinner.
It’s the honest conclusion of your position.
You can be saved before you fall off a cliff or after you fall off a cliff. Mary was saved before she could sin.
She was saved, but didn’t sin.
Silverhair
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Read what you just posted, it is all private interpretation on your part. The RCC has foisted it's private interpretation on the church and you have believed it over the word of God.
I have pointed you to scripture and you respond with RCC dogma. Since biblical truth is not what you seek I will leave you to follow the dogma's of the RCC.
May God have mercy on your soul.
Your interpretation is false and incoherent. If Jesus was conceived of a sinner, then He would be a sinner.
This is a salutary lesson to where private interpretation leads people into gross obstinate error.
37818
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@Cathode, The reason mankind has sinful flesh is stated in Genesis 3;22, ". . . And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . ."
God made man good, but not infinite. Jesus' mother, she was not made to be infinite good, the Son of God was infinite good being He was always the LORD God of Genesis 3:22.
God made man good, but not infinite. Jesus' mother, she was not made to be infinite good, the Son of God was infinite good being He was always the LORD God of Genesis 3:22.
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Not if as you guys contend, that Jesus was conceived of sinful flesh.
Mary conceived Jesus, if she was a sinner, then Jesus would have been.
It’s because God saved Mary from all sin, generational and personal, that she could conceive Jesus of her flesh and Jesus would not have any stain of sin.
Simple. You can’t get Immaculate from defiled, but you can get Immaculate from Immaculate.
37818
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Read post #254.
Jesus was both a real fininte man and the infinite LORD God of Genesis 3:22. So it is written in Hebrews 4:15, ". . . For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Stop believing Roman paganism.
So God was powerless to keep Jesus from sin even though the Holy Spirit overshadowed her in which she became with child? No physical conception needed. Seems that is exactly what God did according to His Word and that what God said in Romans 3:23 meant exactly what God meant 'ALL have sinned'.
Silverhair
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@37818 you have to realize that Cathode is not seeking truth, he is seeking compliance with the RCC dogma that is un-biblical. He has had the biblical truth pointed out to him and he refuses to accept it.
I have asked him numerous times to provide scriptural support for the RCC dogma's and he has failed to provide any. We have ample proof that the RCC has altered scripture and abused the Word of God for their own benefit. It is sad that someone that says we bible aloner's need to trust the Word of God does not actually trust the Word of God.
All have sinned snd come short of the glory of God.
There is none good, no, not one.
All we like sheep have gone astray, and turned every one to his own way.
There is none good, but God.
The Lord Jesus Christ is not a sinner because His grandfather 42 times over, was not Adam. The human’s spirit descends from Adam through the father, not the mother, thus the necessity for Christ to be virgin born.
The seed OF THE WOMAN was prophesied to be the Saviour, and the Saviour had no human father, thus no original sin, though His Mother was born a sinner. His Spirit came from God, not Adam. Adam begot children in his own image, a man who was a sinner, and ALL his descendants are sinners, without exception, bar none, until they are born again, but Christ is not a son of Adam, thus no sinner.
One must be born again to be in Christ, and then he is a saint.
There is none good, no, not one.
All we like sheep have gone astray, and turned every one to his own way.
There is none good, but God.
The Lord Jesus Christ is not a sinner because His grandfather 42 times over, was not Adam. The human’s spirit descends from Adam through the father, not the mother, thus the necessity for Christ to be virgin born.
The seed OF THE WOMAN was prophesied to be the Saviour, and the Saviour had no human father, thus no original sin, though His Mother was born a sinner. His Spirit came from God, not Adam. Adam begot children in his own image, a man who was a sinner, and ALL his descendants are sinners, without exception, bar none, until they are born again, but Christ is not a son of Adam, thus no sinner.
One must be born again to be in Christ, and then he is a saint.
Yes, my Lord JESUS left very clear, saying: Revelation 22: 18 & 20:
18 For I testify unto every MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
That said, the apostate Church of Rome, which rides upon the MAN Beast of sea, is condemned BY JESUS to be cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone-Revelation 19:20-21.
Not me, but the Word of GOD through Paul Apostle, combined with 1John 2:18-19, says by his universal epistle to the church of Rome chapter 1:18-32, as follow:
18 For the WRATH of God is revealed from heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8 about true believers) against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of GOD is manifest in them; for GOD hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Spiritual condition of the Apostate Church of Rome and its idolatries -
21 Because that, when they knew GOD, they glorified Him not as GOD, neither were thankful; but BECAME VAIN in their imaginations, and their FOOLISH HEART was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible GOD into an image made like to corruptible MAN, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore GOD also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of GOD into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (Mary mother of JESUS, Apostles, and countless DEFUNCTS BEATIFIED BY THE POPES, like Madre Teresa), more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause GOD gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (The apostate Church of Rome with her guides and followers corrupted itself exceedingly, and turned morally corrupt , perverted, a DEPRAVED Church since ancient times, today is full of pedophiles, abusers of childs, as happened in Canada, for example)
28 And even as they did not like to retain GOD in their knowledge, GOD gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of GOD, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the Jjudgment of GOD, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church-See how | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net )
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