Do Christians Disrespect God the Father in our Churches?

[Yeshua1]

God is the eternal trinity. But his personal name YHWH = Jesus.

Are there 3 distinct persons in the Trinity?

 

[Yeshua1]

If Jesus is Lord, he is YHWH.

So would God the Father and God the Holy Spirit themselves also, correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

We all know that, for some strange reason, you avoid using the scriptures to lend support to your off-the-cuff opinion, but in this case you are so wrong I just can't let it go, as I usually do.

JESUS IS JEHOVAH (Yahwah).

Isa 40:3 The voice of one who calls out, “Prepare the way of Yahweh in the wilderness! Make a level highway in the desert for our God.

Now compare that to:

Mat 3:3 For this is he who was spoken of by Isaiah the prophet, saying, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, make ready the way of the Lord. Make his paths straight.”

John was preaching Jesus, the Old Testament Yahwah according to Isaiah 40:3.

Again:

Num 21:5 The people spoke against God, and against Moses, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no bread, and there is no water; and our soul loathes this disgusting bread.”
6 Yahweh sent venomous snakes among the people, and they bit the people. Many people of Israel died.

Compare to:

1Cor 10:9 Let’s not test Christ, as some of them tested, and perished by the serpents.

And, again:

Gen 2:4 This is the history of the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Yahweh God made the earth and the heavens.

John 1:3 All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made.

There it is, three times. The Old Testament says Yahwah did it, the New Testament says Jesus did it.

The only logical conclusion is to see that Jesus is Yahwah and Yahwah is Jesus.

QED

I am not disagreeing with Jesus being Yahweh, but he is called Jesus, and there are 2 others Persons called Yahweh also in the Trinity!

 

[loDebar]

God is the eternal trinity. But his personal name YHWH = Jesus.

Dave , God is One, yet separable , Jesus was God in unity yet distinct from the Godhead as shown on the cross

 

[1689Dave]

Dave , God is One, yet separable , Jesus was God in unity yet distinct from the Godhead as shown on the cross

I think the simplest way to put it is:

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5) (ESV)

Of course Jesus = YHWH in this passage. But we also know Jesus is God, having two distinct natures, one fully human (that died on the cross) and one purely divine (that did not die on the cross). Chalcedonian Creed

 

[1689Dave]

So would God the Father and God the Holy Spirit themselves also, correct?

God is one spiritual essence with three persons positionally called Father, Son (Word), and Holy Spirit who revealed his personal name to Israel as YHWH and to New Covenant Israel as Jesus Christ.

 

[1689Dave]

Are there 3 distinct persons in the Trinity?

Yes.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes.

Jesus the Christ used the personage and the example of the Father to enlighten us sinful mortals and in order to move them into a place of understanding He needs a Father that he could point to who was dependable, loving, just and merciful. It’s kind of like Archimedes ... “Give me a lever and a place to stand and I can move rhe world.” LOL, I always loved that guy... but I’m digressing. The point is it is the Father that Jesus used as his pivotal point. The ground of which he stood was his experience of God and His lever/leverage was the gospel.

I hope to God that that analogy helps to piece thing things together for youse guys ... oh no, my PA/ Jersey dialect is piercing through

 

[loDebar]

I think the simplest way to put it is:

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5) (ESV)

Of course Jesus = YHWH in this passage. But we also know Jesus is God, having two distinct natures, one fully human (that died on the cross) and one purely divine (that did not die on the cross). Chalcedonian Creed

but keep in mind, God wasn't a Father to Jesus until Jesus became a human Son.
Heb 1:5
¶
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And Jesus was in Heaven while on the earth

 

[1689Dave]

but keep in mind, God wasn't a Father to Jesus until Jesus became a human Son.
Heb 1:5
¶
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And Jesus was in Heaven while on the earth

This is debatable. If you hold to the "incarnate sonship" view of the trinity, yes. If you hold to the "eternal sonship" version of the trinity, the Father was always the Father, and the Son was always the Son.

 

[loDebar]

It is not debatable , Jesus was not a Son in Heaven .He was God.

Was Jesus in a lessor or created position?

 

[1689Dave]

It is not debatable , Jesus was not a Son in Heaven .He was God

So you prefer the "incarnate sonship view" of the Trinity. Most of Christendom prefers the "eternal sonship" view. In either case, Jesus is eternally God.

 

[TCassidy]

If Jesus was not the Son in Eternity then He changed from not being the Son to being the Son, and the Godhead never changes. To deny the Eternality of the Son is to deny the Immutability of God.

 

[loDebar]

He only became a Son when He became son of man. In eternity, He was not a Son but God, .. Same as with the Father,

 

[loDebar]

So you prefer the "incarnate sonship view" of the Trinity. Most of Christendom prefers the "eternal sonship" view. In either case, Jesus is eternally God.

Jesus is God in eternity, not a lessor position to the GodHead, not a Son and Father. unity yet separable

 

[1689Dave]

Jesus is God in eternity, not a lessor position to the GodHead, not a Son and Father. unity yet separable

I understand your position. But is a wife inferior to a husband? I think if we read scripture as an "eternal sonship" trinitarian. And read it again as an "incarnate sonship" trinitarian we might find a solution over time.

 

[loDebar]

I understand your position. But is a wife inferior to a husband? I think if we read scripture as an "eternal sonship" trinitarian. And read it again as an "incarnate sonship" trinitarian we might find a solution over time.

I think incarnate son ship is without question, in question was Jesus a son in heaven before incarnation. He was not. He did not have a lessor or subservient position, He was and is GOD. He was in Heaven while on the earth as a man

 

[1689Dave]

I think incarnate son ship is without question, in question was Jesus a son in heaven before incarnation. He was not. He did not have a lessor or subservient position, He was and is GOD. He was in Heaven while on the earth as a man

As I said earlier, reading scripture both ways helps to form a position. I clearly see the "incarnate Sonship" position. But in some scriptures the "eternal sonship" position fits better. Perhaps a study from both sides would help see the strengths and weaknesses of both positions.

 

[Felipe Rios]

Christians pay honor and respect ot our Lord jesus, and many to the holy Spirit, but do we really pay homage to God the Father? He was the One both Jesus and Paul acknowledge as the God of Jesus Christ and of us, but how many times is He preached/talked about in Church/daily life as compared to that for Jesus and the Holy Spirit?

We give honor to the Father by worshipping Jesus. God the Father wants us to worship and honor Jesus, it gives Him pleasure. The Father sent His son and the Spirit points us to His Son.

 

[loDebar]

As I said earlier, reading scripture both ways helps to form a position. I clearly see the "incarnate Sonship" position. But in some scriptures the "eternal sonship" position fits better. Perhaps a study from both sides would help see the strengths and weaknesses of both positions.

eternal sonship is plainly wrong