Do you believe in God? Then you have a moral duty to fight climate change, writes Jim Antal

[I Love An Atheist]

I believe whatever bad that happens to earth is part of God's judgement. Look at all the havoc unleashed on earth in Revelation. Also ““Immediately after the suffering of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken.” (Matthew 24:29) (NET)

So I think our main concern is not to rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic, but to point the way to the lifeboats.

When you look at the prophetic language in Revelation, it may be helpful to compare it to the prophetic language in the OT. Mary was prophesied as being clothed with the sun and having the moon under her feet, with a crown of twelve stars on her head. Clearly the prophetic language about Mary was not literal there.

 

[carpro]

It might also be useful to point out that it isn’t really charity when it is somebody else’s money.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

Close to where I live, in Anchorage, homeless veterans are all over. Local people probably give more to veterans' charities than to any other charity. But it's still not enough. When charity isn't enough, there should be a social safety net. We don't need to go crazy like in the Scandinavian countries, though.

 

[FollowTheWay]

So you assume I don’t give because I reject your social gospel. That is what a Pharisee would do.

The Lord isn't talking about a "social gospel" here. He's judging all mankind based on this criterion: You must accept me as your Lord as well as your Savior. I commanded you to show love towards your neighbor. This is a direct result of a valid born-again conversion experience.

 

[1689Dave]

When you look at the prophetic language in Revelation, it may be helpful to compare it to the prophetic language in the OT. Mary was prophesied as being clothed with the sun and having the moon under her feet, with a crown of twelve stars on her head. Clearly the prophetic language about Mary was not literal there.

Thanks, interesting. If you use Matthew 24 as an outline for world history written in advance, you can fit portions of Revelation into it. Most of Revelation is symbolic and Matthew can appear that way too in some passages. But I think China where the sun is dark and moon doesn't give its light because of pollution could pass for a literal fulfillment.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The difference is that you would help those that needed it yourself with your own money or through giving to your church and he doesn't believe he should have to spend a dime of his own money. He pays his taxes and the government is supposed to do it for him... and you.

The problem is that you already gave at the church and he didn't. It's a known fact that liberals give less than conservatives. Most of them give either nothing or almost nothing. So, since the government has his money, he wants them to take more of yours and expects it to take care of all those that have needs for him and you.

The message is: Don't give so much to your local church, you dope.

Give it to the government. If you don't they should just take it.

Please don't speak for me. I don't agree with the words you're putting in my mouth.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

Since the subject of this thread is the U.N. climate change agenda, it would have to go beyond social gospel anyway. It would have to be ecological gospel. As in "deep ecology". Meaning humans are not intrinsically worth more than any other form of life on Earth.

But even if we're restricting it to social gospel, we would be talking about Jesus wanting the U.N. to force us to redistribute our nations' wealth to other nations though a system of carbon credits and debits and exchanges.

It would be preposterous to attempt to scripture twist that way.

Since it can't be done, apparently it can only be vaguely implied.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The Lord isn't talking about a "social gospel" here. He's judging all mankind based on this criterion: You must accept me as your Lord as well as your Savior. I commanded you to show love towards your neighbor. This is a direct result of a valid born-again conversion experience.

No kidding ? And that’s manifested in voting democrat ?

 

[FollowTheWay]

No kidding ? And that’s manifested in voting democrat ?

Unlike you, my faith is not dependent on politics. I think that's the greatest problem the church faces today, the combination of Republican politics and "Evangelical Christianity."

 

[Revmitchell]

Unlike you, my faith is not dependent on politics.

 

[Adonia]

I believe that the social gospel is the true gospel as I said before. Of course Jesus wanted people to follow Him spiritually but He also was concerned about mankind's physical needs. He told us to love our neighbor and in the MAT 25 description of the Final Judgement it's shown that faith must be accompanied by a demonstration of love for our fellow man to be genuine. Therefore, working to feed, house and support the medical requirements of the needy is a part of being a born-again Christian. As it says in James, faith without works is dead. This is also a part of the real ,concept of pro-life. Life for the born is just as precious as life for the unborn.

Only when it comes from the free will of the individual and therefore the individuals heart. The government taking my money through excessive taxes to fund these things in violation of the Federal compact is not charity and does the individual no good at all.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Only when it comes from the free will of the individual and therefore the individuals heart. The government taking my money through excessive taxes to fund these things in violation of the Federal compact is not charity and does the individual no good at all.

So what have you done to feed the great masses of the poor or provide them with medical care?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Unlike you, my faith is not dependent on politics. I think that's the greatest problem the church faces today, the combination of Republican politics and "Evangelical Christianity."

Yeah. Talk literally out of both sides of your mouth. You’re too smart for me.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So what have you done to feed the great masses of the poor or provide them with medical care?

You really want people to inventory their charity for you ? Pharisee you are.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Please don't speak for me. I don't agree with the words you're putting in my mouth.

LOL. You should also stop putting words in other people’s mouths.

 

[Adonia]

So what have you done to feed the great masses of the poor or provide them with medical care?

I give to several different charities regularly that specifically help the poorest among us.

My monies are used by these organizations to provide food, housing, and medical care and believe me they are using the cash I give them far more wisely than any government agency could.

 

[just-want-peace]

Unlike you, my faith is not dependent on politics. I think that's the greatest problem the church faces today, the combination of Republican politics and "Evangelical Christianity."

Sorry, but your posts just scream "LIBERAL POLITICS is the only way for a Christian".

 

[FollowTheWay]

Yeah. Talk literally out of both sides of your mouth. You’re too smart for me.

True.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I give to several different charities regularly that specifically help the poorest among us.

My monies are used by these organizations to provide food, housing, and medical care and believe me they are using the cash I give them far more wisely than any government agency could.

Excellent but if you vote to take away government aid to the needy to give tax breaks to the rich and pour more money down the black hole of the Pentagon you hurt them a lot.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Sorry, but your posts just scream "LIBERAL POLITICS is the only way for a Christian".

No. I believe in separation of church and state. It's just that almost everyone else here believes that only republicans can be Christians. That makes my posts stand out as a voice of reason.