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The text says the baby is withdrawn at birth?Huh?What are you talking about?It's hard to make sense of your sentences at times.Ps.58:3:"The wicked go astray from the womb;liars err from birth." Conclusion :newborns are sinners at birth as far as Scripture goes -- not human sentiment.
For some reason you neglected my reference to Ps.51:5 :"Indeed,I was guilty when I was born;I was sinful when my mother conceived me."
Verses 5-7 dealt with idols,but verse 8b is certainly about the subject at-hand :"For I knew that you were very treacherous,and were known as a rebel from birth." Conclusion :Newborns are sinners at birth by the testimony of the Bible -- though not by human reckoning.
So you deny original sin -- which is has been a cardinal doctrine of the Church since its inception.You do not believe in the federal headship of Adam -- that his sin has been passed down to every member of the human race.Verse 17 is key:"Since by the one man's trespass,death reigned through that one man..."The other half of the equation is Christ -- the second Adam.In the latter half of that last verse:..."how much more will those who receive the overflow of grace and the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man,Jesus Christ."
Sorry,I meant unfulfilled. Skypair had said that "ALL are born innocent and God has hopes that ALL of us will find Christ...".I responded by asking does God have any unfulfilled desires?That's a legitimate question which you are free to answer as Skypair's surrogate.
Sorry again.I meant Romans 9:18 :"So then,He shows mercy to whom He wills,and He hardens whom He wills." So indeed God hardens those He wishes.
You will not convince me or other Bible believers that everyone is chosen for salvation.How about dealing with the Word of God?
2 Thess.2:13 :"But we must always thank God for you,brothers loved by the Lord,because from the beginning God has chosen you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and through belief in the truth."
2 Tim.1:9 :"who has saved us and called us with a holy calling,not according to our works,but according to His own purpose and grace,which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began."
MB said:Very poor evidence of your position.
This doesn't say he was a sinner but says he was made in sin Ps.58:3; This says the baby is with drawn at birth nope I see no baby sinner at birth.
The text says the baby is withdrawn at birth?Huh?What are you talking about?It's hard to make sense of your sentences at times.Ps.58:3:"The wicked go astray from the womb;liars err from birth." Conclusion :newborns are sinners at birth as far as Scripture goes -- not human sentiment.
For some reason you neglected my reference to Ps.51:5 :"Indeed,I was guilty when I was born;I was sinful when my mother conceived me."
MB said:Is.48:8 This is about Idols for crying out loud.
Verses 5-7 dealt with idols,but verse 8b is certainly about the subject at-hand :"For I knew that you were very treacherous,and were known as a rebel from birth." Conclusion :Newborns are sinners at birth by the testimony of the Bible -- though not by human reckoning.
MB said:and Ro.5:12-19. Nope there is no infant sinners who was a sinner from birth.
Proof yet again that your claims that Babies are guilty the moment they take there first breath just isn't provable. Then you claim I twist scripture better get that log out of your own eye first, before you attempt to take the splinter out of mine.
So you deny original sin -- which is has been a cardinal doctrine of the Church since its inception.You do not believe in the federal headship of Adam -- that his sin has been passed down to every member of the human race.Verse 17 is key:"Since by the one man's trespass,death reigned through that one man..."The other half of the equation is Christ -- the second Adam.In the latter half of that last verse:..."how much more will those who receive the overflow of grace and the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man,Jesus Christ."
MB said:What does unfullied mean? Are you speaking to us in Korean?
Sorry,I meant unfulfilled. Skypair had said that "ALL are born innocent and God has hopes that ALL of us will find Christ...".I responded by asking does God have any unfulfilled desires?That's a legitimate question which you are free to answer as Skypair's surrogate.
MB said:Here is Rom. 9:14 and what it says;
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Where does it say anything about hardening? As far as I can tell you seem to be the one who needs study.
Sorry again.I meant Romans 9:18 :"So then,He shows mercy to whom He wills,and He hardens whom He wills." So indeed God hardens those He wishes.
MB said:... if we could just get you to see that everyone has been chosen for Salvation.
MB
You will not convince me or other Bible believers that everyone is chosen for salvation.How about dealing with the Word of God?
2 Thess.2:13 :"But we must always thank God for you,brothers loved by the Lord,because from the beginning God has chosen you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and through belief in the truth."
2 Tim.1:9 :"who has saved us and called us with a holy calling,not according to our works,but according to His own purpose and grace,which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began."