You've never seen an angry infant?
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Does God Save Children Apart From their Faith In Jesus?
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Yes and I've also been bitten by an angry baby. According to your sense of justice, those little biters should be hauled off to jail and receive the maximum sentence for biting..I mean since they're so accountable for everything they do. :BangHead:
I believe we've been over this already
Not sure why Christ having a sin nature would be reprehensible...He was 100% human in like manner we are, as you agree. Note...He was human as WE are, not that we are human is He was. He was subjected to the curse. The difference with Him compared to us is He is also God, able to be the only human with a sin nature to never sin. Just having a sin nature doesn't make one a sinner, nor spiritually dead. I still have this nature and I'm quite alive spiritually! The sin nature is simply the flesh, humanity subject to pain, death and the curse as a whole.
I like what the scriptures say, they say we are flesh, and that Jesus came in the flesh. I do not like the term "sin nature" applied to Jesus at all. But the scriptures do say he had the same nature as us and was tempted in ALL POINTS as we are, YET WITHOUT SIN. So, I don't like the word sin associated with Jesus at all.
I think it more accurate to say we have a temptation nature.
2 counterexamples to that: when a homicide is committed and a suspect is arrested with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, it's up to the court to determine if it's murder and what degree, manslaughter, voluntary or involuntary, or a lesser crime or none at all...depending largely on the suspect's motive(s). The other example is the recent "hate crime" concept, in which a suspect judged guilty may receive a more severe sentence if is concluded he was motivated by his 'hate' for the victim based on the victim's race, religion, 'sexual orientation', or other angles. So yes, a man is judged for the things he thinks.
An angry baby has a thought. He may not be thinking it in words like webdog insists, but he knows he is not getting his way and he doesn't like it. If webdog didn't judge people like the Duggars and emulated them he'd know a little more about infants.
You must not have read post #154
InTheLight said:
I knew it! That didn't take long.
Supposing that what you assume is true--What sin is being committed by a baby angered that it is not getting his way?
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What a man thinks determines his motives. It's only after a man has done something that these things are looked into. If I desire to kill someone, but don't have it in my power, the courts can't judge me as a murderer, but God does.
The point is, God looks and judges the thoughts AND intents, whether or not these thoughts and intents worked themselves out in the form of acts or words.
You don't get it. You could tell a 2 year old he is a sinner in danger of hell and he will probably smile at you. He cannot understand what you are talking about whatsover. He does not understand good and evil, only that sometimes Mom and Dad say NO! It takes awhile before a child can truly understand sin and it's eternal consequences. All children mature differently, but I do not believe most children can comprehend these concepts until they are at least 7 or 8 years old, generally speaking.
That's my question. I only put that up to show how idiotic it is to think that an infant does not have thoughts and intents of the heart beyond what you and webdog supposed by your limited experiences.
Skandelon
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You mean those same thoughts and intents He decreed to be (in such a way they could not have been otherwise)?
Kinda sounds like God judging himself in a round about way, doesn't it?
The question about the heart of an infant. To say that an infant cannot commit sin is to say something about his heart, not his body and brain.
Guys, just answer the question. Are the thoughts in the heart of an infant good or evil, holy or profane, whole or corrupt?
I can't wait till he tells me I have limited experience.
Wow, you put words into people's mouths, you know the extent of other people's experiences, and you CAN READ BABY'S MINDS! Why do you waste your vast talents on Baptist Board? Surely there is some commodity futures trading job you could excel at.
Now back into the killfile you go...
What did Paul say of Esau and Jacob in Rom 9:11?
If your ignorance of infants isn't due to inexperience, it must be because of the density of your skulls.
Skandelon
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Anything not done in faith is sin and only God knows the intent of one's heart. The question is whether or not God determines the intent of one's heart and then judges them for it?
Yes, amazing. I can't remember anything I thought when I was 2 or 3 years old, but Aaron can know.
Hey Aaron, what was I thinking?
What are you saying? That their thoughts are neutral, or they had no thoughts?
Just answer the question.
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