Drinking

[steaver]

I hate false religions, false doctrines, and any false teachings. I am not reading much into the word much. There are people who just do not accept God’s Word and want to twist it into something else, as if they can do better. I do not want man's word, or man's wisdom I want God’s only. Your wisdom makes Jesus a sinner.

You are wrong about alcohol and me. If you knew me at all, you would be embarrassed that you falsely accused me in such a way, and you should be embarrassed for trying to judge me when you cannot even judge correctly that do not drink much wine does not mean do not drink wine at all.

I gave crystal clear scripture concerning God's kings and priest and God's instructions that they are not to consume alcohol. You can go back and forth on the grape juice verses fermented wine which both sides will bring forth different research to support their position. Look at God's Word concerning kings and priest and the fermented verses juice arguments simply do not matter. God's kings and priest are instructed to abstain from alcohol.

 

[steaver]

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You are wrong about alcohol and me. If you knew me at all, you would be embarrassed that you falsely accused me in such a way, and you should be embarrassed for trying to judge me when you cannot even judge correctly that do not drink much wine does not mean do not drink wine at all.

I'm not sure I did any false accusing, but if I did, I appologize. Well, I don't know you, so tell me, do you consume recreational alcolhol Moriah? Please share why or why not. Then I will know where you are coming from and won't make the mistake of falsely accusing you.

 

[mont974x4]

I'm not sure I did any false accusing, but if I did, I appologize. Well, I don't know you, so tell me, do you consume recreational alcolhol Moriah? Please share why or why not. Then I will know where you are coming from and won't make the mistake of falsely accusing you.

We ought not to preach and teach culture. We ought to priest Christ. Preach the Word faithfully and you will have no room for legalism.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

One mans legalism is another mans obedience.

 

[Moriah]

One mans legalism is another mans obedience.

Legalism is the teaching of the things that are ADDED to God’s word, which in fact just NULLIFY God’s word. That is what the Pharisees and teacher’s of the law did.

Matthew 15:1-3 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

Matthew 15:6-8 Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain: their teachings are but rules taught by me.’”

Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men! Acts 5:29.

 

[Moriah]

I gave crystal clear scripture concerning God's kings and priest and God's instructions that they are not to consume alcohol. You can go back and forth on the grape juice verses fermented wine which both sides will bring forth different research to support their position. Look at God's Word concerning kings and priest and the fermented verses juice arguments simply do not matter. God's kings and priest are instructed to abstain from alcohol.

Are you talking about Proverbs 31:6-7? If yes, then you quoted a scripture and with your reasoning gave explanation that would say it is okay for poor priests in the Lord to get drunk on alcohol.

Jacob Gets Isaac’s Blessing and wine is included.

Genesis 27:28 So may God give you dew from heaven, the richness of the earth, and grain and wine in abundance.

Wine was in the offering.

Exodus 22:28 “You are not to delay offering from your harvest of grain, olive oil or wine. “The firstborn of your sons you are to give to me.

Exodus 29:40 With the one lamb offer two quarts of finely ground flour mixed with one quart of oil from pressed olives; along with one quart of wine as a drink offering.

You are wrong about there being some kind of confusion when the scriptures say wine meaning grape juice. Wine is alcoholic, vinegar is vinegar, and grape juice is juice from the grape. See this next scripture.

Numbers 6:3 he is to abstain from wine and other intoxicating liquor, he is not to drink vinegar from either source, he is not to drink grape juice, and he is not to eat grapes or raisins.

Numbers 6:20 The cohen is to wave them as a wave offering before ADONAI; this is set aside for the cohen, along with the breast for waving and the raised-up thigh. Following that, the nazir may drink wine.

 

[Moriah]

I'm not sure I did any false accusing, but if I did, I appologize. Well, I don't know you, so tell me, do you consume recreational alcolhol Moriah? Please share why or why not. Then I will know where you are coming from and won't make the mistake of falsely accusing you.

IF I did drink a little wine or alcohol, I would not tell you, for the Bible says to keep that between God and yourself.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Actually the Bible says to keep your faith between God and you.

It tells us to confess our faults.

 

[Moriah]

Actually the Bible says to keep your faith between God and you.

Keep your faith between God and you, you say? What do you mean by saying that as if you are correcting me? The scripture is about keeping your faith about eating meat and drinking wine between God and you.

 

[mont974x4]

One mans legalism is another mans obedience.

God sets the standard and not once does He praise legalism. Legalist are those who have a form of godliness, however, the reality is they deny the Gospel.

 

[steaver]

Are you talking about Proverbs 31:6-7? If yes, then you quoted a scripture and with your reasoning gave explanation that would say it is okay for poor priests in the Lord to get drunk on alcohol.

Why is it you totally ignore verses 3,4,5 and incorrectly represent verses 6 and 7?

Verses 3-5 are crystal clear, kings are not to drink wine because it can lead one into wickedness and poor judgment. The instruction is abstenence. Verses 6,7 is about relieving the pain for those who are dying - yes that would likely get them high on the stuff. It is administering mercy, like when they place cancer patients who are dying on a morphine drip.

Jacob Gets Isaac’s Blessing and wine is included.

Genesis 27:28 So may God give you dew from heaven, the richness of the earth, and grain and wine in abundance.

Wine was in the offering.

Exodus 22:28 “You are not to delay offering from your harvest of grain, olive oil or wine. “The firstborn of your sons you are to give to me.

Exodus 29:40 With the one lamb offer two quarts of finely ground flour mixed with one quart of oil from pressed olives; along with one quart of wine as a drink offering.

Yes, wine is used throughout God's Word. You cannot deny God sets apart His priest and instructs them to abstain.

"Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations." (Lev 10:9)

God will not have His priest drink intoxicating beverages when they are ministering their priestly duties. We are God's kings and priests through Jesus Christ (Rev 1:6) . We are God's tabernacle (1Pt2:5) and God's priesthood here on earth representing and ministering for Jesus Christ. We are in God's tabernacle at all times.

You are wrong about there being some kind of confusion when the scriptures say wine meaning grape juice. Wine is alcoholic, vinegar is vinegar, and grape juice is juice from the grape. See this next scripture.

Numbers 6:3 he is to abstain from wine and other intoxicating liquor, he is not to drink vinegar from either source, he is not to drink grape juice, and he is not to eat grapes or raisins.

Numbers 6:20 The cohen is to wave them as a wave offering before ADONAI; this is set aside for the cohen, along with the breast for waving and the raised-up thigh. Following that, the nazir may drink wine

I have seen both arguments presented. Either way it does not change the facts of God's kings and priest being instructed to abstain from alcohol.

 

[steaver]

IF I did drink a little wine or alcohol, I would not tell you, for the Bible says to keep that between God and yourself.

Well, I am giving you godly counsel. God says that you are a king and a priest (Rev 1:6) and God has instructed kings and priest are not to drink alcohol. God left no room for debate on these clear instructions.

 

[SaggyWoman]

It is okay.

 

[steaver]

It is okay.

I have observed over the years that most christians have no idea of their priesthood responsibilities or that they are even a king or priest! God help our churches get back to the full counsel of God's word.

 

[annsni]

I have observed over the years that most christians have no idea of their priesthood responsibilities or that they are even a king or priest! God help our churches get back to the full counsel of God's word.

Can you show me where we need to follow the priestly rules from the Old Testament - a time where we were not to approach the throne of God without intercession. Even the priest had to cleanse himself else he could not enter the Holy of Holies - but now we are cleansed by the blood of the Lamb.

Please show me where we are bound to the old law.

 

[steaver]

Can you show me where we need to follow the priestly rules from the Old Testament - a time where we were not to approach the throne of God without intercession. Even the priest had to cleanse himself else he could not enter the Holy of Holies - but now we are cleansed by the blood of the Lamb.

Please show me where we are bound to the old law.

Should we follow Proverb's instructions?

 

[Moriah]

Why is it you totally ignore verses 3,4,5 and incorrectly represent verses 6 and 7?

I did not do as you said I did. I said that with YOUR explanation the poor priests of the Lord should get drunk.
Proverbs 31:7 Let them drink and forget their poverty
and remember their misery no more.
If a person cannot control their drinking, then they should not drink at all. Proverbs 31 says “lest they drink and forget what the law decrees, and deprive all the oppressed of their rights.” If you do NOT drink MUCH wine, you will NOT forget decrees, nor will it be your excuse for depriving all the oppressed of their rights. By the way Steaver, how much control do you have over the others rights? Answer that please.

God will not have His priest drink intoxicating beverages when they are ministering their priestly duties. We are God's kings and priests through Jesus Christ (Rev 1:6) . We are God's tabernacle (1Pt2:5) and God's priesthood here on earth representing and ministering for Jesus Christ. We are in God's tabernacle at all times.

You are using the Old Testament about entering the tent of the meeting. The Holy Spirit now lives in true believers. It is not okay to get drunk, nor is it okay to say that God says never drink wine again.

I have seen both arguments presented. Either way it does not change the facts of God's kings and priest being instructed to abstain from alcohol.

Jesus turned the water into wine. The word of God does not say Jesus turned the water into grape juice. Jesus drank wine. Paul says not to drink MUCH wine. In the New Testament people who gathered for the Lord’s Supper in remembrance…they got drunk on the wine there, so we know it was real alcoholic wine.
You should not drink any alcohol, Steaver, because you would not be drinking with faith.

 

[annsni]

Should we follow Proverb's instructions?

Which one?

 

[annsni]

Steaver, in Leviticus 10:9, God told Aaron " “Drink no wine or strong drink, you or your sons with you, when you go into the tent of meeting, lest you die."

Do you notice something? God never said "You shall never drink wine" but instead, only when he was going into the tent of meeting.

Leviticus 18 tells us that the priest will receive offerings and eat and drink them as their inheritance. Note that it says wine too. Ezra 6:9 speaks of this as well as does Nehemiah 13:5.

 

[steaver]

Steaver, in Leviticus 10:9, God told Aaron " “Drink no wine or strong drink, you or your sons with you, when you go into the tent of meeting, lest you die."

Do you notice something? God never said "You shall never drink wine" but instead, only when he was going into the tent of meeting.

Leviticus 18 tells us that the priest will receive offerings and eat and drink them as their inheritance. Note that it says wine too. Ezra 6:9 speaks of this as well as does Nehemiah 13:5.

Yes, I noticed that. And as christians we are in God's tabernacle performing NT instructions 24/7. We are a royal priesthood (1Pt2:9), to be set apart as holy unto God continually.

Why do you think God told His priest not to drink alcohol? Remember, you are one of God's priest in Christ (Rev 1:6)

Wine was used for many purposes throughout the bible. What is clear is that God does not want kings and priest partaking of it. These clear instructions gives credence to the argument that the wine Jesus consumed was likely of the variety that could not cause intoxication, for as you know, there are many stages a wine may go through.