End times thoughts.....

[Covenanter]

Ethnic Jewishness, & the question of whether Jews are truly Semitic or Ashkennazi is irrelevant - the Gospel of the LORD Jesus Christ is for all ethnicities, who become Abraham's children by repentance & faith.

The prophesied glorious future is for all & only true believers in the Messiah, the LORD Jesus Christ.

As 1689Dave has asserted, those who claim circumcision as a continuing covenant sign place themselves outside the covenant -

Phil. 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. 3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If born to a circumcised father, or married to a circumcised man, (Ruth, Rahab) etc, women are considered covenant members. Abraham's soldiers and their families made up most of his covenant seed through circumcision. While his physical seed, all related to him by blood (Ishmael, the Dukes of Edom, sons of Keturah, etc. ) make up much of the arab world.

Ah, so I am a Jew ... daddy is Abraham.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Wow... how did you tolerate it?

I eventually did not. My brother became an atheist and I became an agnostic, although I was hungry for God. By the grace and guidance of God, I eventually found my way to a biblical faith by rejecting everything I had ever been told about God and starting over.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I eventually did not. My brother became an atheist and I became an agnostic, although I was hungry for God. By the grace and guidance of God, I eventually found my way to a biblical faith by rejecting everything I had ever been told about God and starting over.

Yea, me too . Thing is I hate fanatics.

 

[church mouse guy]

Are the C-Zionists showing their love for the Jews by encouraging as many as possible to move to Israel to maximize the number that will be slaughtered during Armageddon? Sounds like really vicious antisemitism.

Grace Halsell has investigated Israel, starting with a Zionist tour, & written a number of books.

Sounds like way over the top.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Sounds like way over the top.

Oye Vey

 

[church mouse guy]

found this online;
What Supporters of Israel are Not Telling You About Their View of Israel's Future • Gary DeMar


You may not believe that this doctrine is taught by mainline premillennial teachers, writers, and preachers. Here’s the evidence:

• Mark Hitchcock contends in his book, Could the Rapture Happen Today? (94) that the prophecy found in Zechariah 13:8–9 states that “two parts” of the Jews living in the land of Israel during the post-rapture tribulation period “will be cut off and perish.”
• This interpretation is not unique to Hitchcock. Fellow dispensational pre-tribulationalist Hal Lindsey describes the judgment against Israel in AD 70 as a “picnic” compared to a super-holocaust that will lead to the slaughter of two-thirds of the Jews living in Israel during the Great Tribulation.1
• In Jack Van Impe’s Israel’s Final Holocaust readers are told that when the prophecy clock starts ticking again after the “rapture,” it “will be traumatic days for Israel. Just when peace seems to have come, it will be taken from her and she will be plunged into another bloody persecution, … a devastating explosion of persecution and misery for Israel….”2
• Thomas Ice, a frequent co-author with Hitchcock, writes “that before Israel enters into her time of national blessing she must first pass through the fire of the tribulation (Deut. 4:30; Jer. 30:5-9; Dan. 12:1; Zeph. 1:14-18). Even though the horrors of the Holocaust under Hitler were of an unimaginable magnitude, the Bible teaches that a time of even greater trial awaits Israel during the tribulation. Anti-Semitism will reach new heights, this time global in scope, in which two-thirds of world Jewry will be killed (Zech. 13:7–9; Rev. 12).”3
• Charles Ryrie writes in his book The Best is Yet to Come that during this post-rapture period Israel will undergo “the worst bloodbath in Jewish history.”4
• John Walvoord follows a similar line of argument: “Israel is destined to have a particular time of suffering which will eclipse anything that it has known in the past…. [T]he people of Israel … are placing themselves within the vortex of this future whirlwind which will destroy the majority of those living in the land of Palestine.”5
• On the September 18, 1991, edition of the “700 Club,” Sid Roth, host of “Messianic Vision,” stated that “two-thirds of the Jewish people [living in Israel] will be exterminated” during a future Great Tribulation. He bases this view on Zechariah 13:8–9 (see below).
• Arnold Fruchtenbaum states that during the Great Tribulation “Israel will suffer tremendous persecution (Matthew 24:15–28; Revelation 12:1–17). As a result of this persecution of the Jewish people, two-thirds are going to be killed.”6
• The authors of Are You Rapture Ready? continue with the Jewish holocaust theme describing it as “Holocaust II” when “66 percent of Israel is wiped out.”7

Thanks for posting something non-controversial.

 

[1689Dave]

Ah, so I am a Jew ... daddy is Abraham.

The only biblical Jews and Israel today are those who accept Christ as the Messiah.

 

[church mouse guy]

Oye Vey

You're talking to a goy who doesn't understand your lingo.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The only biblical Jews and Israel today are those who accept Christ as the Messiah.

That’s me ya da da da da

 

[1689Dave]

You're talking to a goy who doesn't understand your lingo.

“For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:26–29) (NET)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You're talking to a goy who doesn't understand your lingo.

You do understand what a goy is right?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

“For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:26–29) (NET)

Hence David Ben Abraham

 

[1689Dave]

Hence David Ben Abraham

Hence Apostle Paul..............

 

[church mouse guy]

You do understand what a goy is right?

It is something that you are not, right? I don't disagree about the Great Tribulation so this is hardly controversial. The pre-trib and mid-trib people are the ones who are saying that they have no worries, man, and that they will have no troubles with the man of sin.

 

[church mouse guy]

“For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:26–29) (NET)

Sorry, Charlie, I am still a free male Greek. Maybe in the next world, huh?

 

[1689Dave]

Sorry, Charlie, I am still a free male Greek. Maybe in the next world, huh?

If you believe the Gospel, you are a member of biblical Israel under Christ. Those who reject Christ are not biblical Israel and are Jews in name only.

 

[church mouse guy]

If you believe the Gospel, you are a member of biblical Israel under Christ. Those who reject Christ are not biblical Israel and are Jews in name only.

But that is not what you said firstly. You said that I was not a free male Greek, but I am.

 

[1689Dave]

But that is not what you said firstly. You said that I was not a free male Greek, but I am.

You can consider yourself such. But many greeks joined biblical Israel by believing in Christ.

 

[church mouse guy]

You can consider yourself such. But many greeks joined biblical Israel by believing in Christ.

Did they cease to be male and free?