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Eschatology? (Attempt 2)

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convicted1

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I believe Matthew 25, 1 Thess. 4, Rev. 20, and 1 Cor. 15, for starters, support the amil view...of course, this is mhho :saint:
 
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OldRegular

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Jordan Kurecki said:
What are your views on Eschatology and why?


Scripture please!
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John 5:28, 29 says all that needs saying. Of course I could say more!

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

ONE general resurrection followed by ONE general judgment.

Revelation 20:11-15
11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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convicted1

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OldRegular said:
John 5:28, 29 says all that needs saying. Of course I could say more!

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

ONE general resurrection followed by ONE general judgment.

Revelation 20:11-15
11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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Revmitchell

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I lean toward premill pretrib. For me the whole thing hinges on the 70th week in Daniel. But I am only dogmatic on a future and literal return of Christ. You can look to the book of Revelation for that.
 
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Greektim

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Revmitchell said:
I lean toward premill pretrib. For me the whole thing hinges on the 70th week in Daniel. But I am only dogmatic on a future and literal return of Christ. You can look to the book of Revelation for that.
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This is pretty good for me:

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.

Paul is very simple: Jesus comes back, resurrection takes place (see above posts about general judgment), and then the end comes w/ God being all in all (iow eternity begins).

No rapture in that passage. No tribulation, no millenium. It seems like the Kingdom is consumated when Jesus comes back. It seems that the end is ushered in when Jesus comes back. There is no need for 1,007+ years in between.
 
Greektim

Greektim

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Revmitchell said:
I lean toward premill pretrib. For me the whole thing hinges on the 70th week in Daniel. But I am only dogmatic on a future and literal return of Christ. You can look to the book of Revelation for that.
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I appreciate this attitude. That is a good one to be dogmatic on.
 
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OldRegular

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Grasshopper said:
Preterism.

Here is a new sermon series giving the scriptural references:

http://www.emmanuelenid.org/media-overview/sermon-archive/itemlist/category/57-revelation-revealed
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As I understand preterism it denies the resurrection of the dead and the bodily return of Jesus Christ. I believe that to be grossly contrary to Scripture.

I can accept partial preterism which concedes the return of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of all the dead followed by the general judgment as well as the prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
 
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OldRegular

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Greektim said:
This is pretty good for me:

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.

Paul is very simple: Jesus comes back, resurrection takes place (see above posts about general judgment), and then the end comes w/ God being all in all (iow eternity begins).

No rapture in that passage. No tribulation, no millenium. It seems like the Kingdom is consumated when Jesus comes back. It seems that the end is ushered in when Jesus comes back. There is no need for 1,007+ years in between.
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Well said!
 
Greektim

Greektim

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Revmitchell said:
Rev 20:4-6
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No need for a literal 1,000 years then. Like the rest of the Apocalypse, that is one picture of victory... the victory of Jesus on the cross over Satan. The entire book is replete w/ figures of victory. I just preached a sermon on victory in Revelation. Satan bound is a picture of defeat. Jesus wins. But don't make the figure walk on all fours.
 
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Revmitchell

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Greektim said:
No need for a literal 1,000 years then. Like the rest of the Apocalypse, that is one picture of victory... the victory of Jesus on the cross over Satan. The entire book is replete w/ figures of victory. I just preached a sermon on victory in Revelation. Satan bound is a picture of defeat. Jesus wins. But don't make the figure walk on all fours.
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Well then you will be quite surprised in the coming judgment.
 
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OldRegular

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Greektim said:
No need for a literal 1,000 years then. Like the rest of the Apocalypse, that is one picture of victory... the victory of Jesus on the cross over Satan. The entire book is replete w/ figures of victory. I just preached a sermon on victory in Revelation. Satan bound is a picture of defeat. Jesus wins. But don't make the figure walk on all fours.
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If we approach the Book of Revelation, not as a picture of a seven year tribulation period with the Church removed, but a picture of God prevailing over evil during this dispensation it is a most wonderful book. And God and the Saints do win!
 
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quantumfaith

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No intention to derail here....but I am glad to see that there is as much "tension" with varying views of eschatology, as there exists when speaking of creation et al and the Genesis narrative.

:) :) :)
 
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