eschatology continued

[John of Japan]

John - please don't quote PMs on the open forum. If you want others to join in, you can invite them to join the PM.

Please look again. I admittedly did quote the PM, but only the guy's personal attack on me. In the light of prophecy70's siccing this guy on me, and that the guy was trying to debate me on a PM thread, I feel that referring to the PM was entirely legit.

 

[evangelist6589]

Please look again. I admittedly did quote the PM, but only the guy's personal attack on me. In the light of prophecy70's siccing this guy on me, and the guy was trying to debate me on a PM thread, I feel that referring to the PM was entirely legit.

Why are you so defensive?

 

[John of Japan]

What are you here for? Are you here to debate or to learn? You read The Way of the Master and Hells Best Kept Secret but you did not read the books to learn, but rather to criticize Comfort.

And you also have no clue as to my motives for reading those books. Only God does. You are judging my heart, and you have absolutely no right to do so.

 

[John of Japan]

Why are you so defensive?

Why are you so offensive?

 

[evangelist6589]

Why are you so offensive?

You are here to debate not to learn.

You read both of Comfort's book only to criticize and not to learn.

 

[John of Japan]

J. Dwight Pentecost quotes amil O. T. Allis, who was amil and an opponent of premillennialism:

Premillennialism "was extensively held in the Early Church, how extensively is not definitely known" (Things to Come, p. 373, quoting Allis in Prophecy and the Church, p. 238). Allis also pointed out that the Anabaptists during the Reformation notably were premil.

 

[Revmitchell]

J. Dwight Pentecost quotes amil O. T. Allis:

Premillennialism "was extensively held in the Early Church, how extensively is not definitely known" (Things to Come, p. 373, quoting Allis in Prophecy and the Church, p. 238). Allis also pointed out that the Anabaptists during the Reformation notably were premil.

Yep just read that in his book yesterday

 

[John of Japan]

Yep just read that in his book yesterday

And an excellent book it is!

 

[John of Japan]

You are here to debate not to learn.

You read both of Comfort's book only to criticize and not to learn.

My search is for truth. I did an honest review of Comfort's books. And once again you are judging my motives, something that only God is equipped to do. So stop taking over the role of God.

 

[John of Japan]

Here is a good presentation of famous Baptist Spurgeon's premil position going back to 1865: Spurgeon's Millennial View.

If anyone would know Spurgeon's view it's this author, Bob Ross, since he is the publisher of Spurgeon's sermon sets. (I was in his store once, and he kindly gave me a copy of the volume to which my dear grandpa had written the foreward.)

 

[David Kent]

David, please don't post to make personal attacks.
Who knows what you mean by PPR ?
And NOBODY has attempted to support their teaching from Catholic doctrines - whatever you have sown earlier. If you read posts properly you will see that we show our teaching from Scripture.
As for "what the church has always believed" you're sowing on a big field completely free from hedges & fences & barbed wire.

Sorry Ian,I will try to remember that.

 

[John of Japan]

Sorry Ian,I will try to remember that.

Yeah, what did you mean by PPR? I don't know that acronym.

 

[David Kent]

Here is a good presentation of famous Baptist Spurgeon's premil position going back to 1865: Spurgeon's Millennial View.

If anyone would know Spurgeon's view it's this author, Bob Ross, since he is the publisher of Spurgeon's sermon sets. (I was in his store once, and he kindly gave me a copy of the volume to which my dear grandpa had written the foreward.)

As I remember, Spurgeon said he was called to preach, not to get involved in speculating on prophecy.

 

[David Kent]

Yeah, what did you mean by PPR? I don't know that acronym.

I think the word is yes, or is that a typo?
My Typo, was PPR should be PTR.

 

[Covenanter]

As I remember, Spurgeon said he was called to preach, not to get involved in speculating on prophecy.

You must be a little older than others on the forum

 

[David Kent]

J. Dwight Pentecost quotes amil O. T. Allis, who was amil and an opponent of premillennialism:

Premillennialism "was extensively held in the Early Church, how extensively is not definitely known" (Things to Come, p. 373, quoting Allis in Prophecy and the Church, p. 238). Allis also pointed out that the Anabaptists during the Reformation notably were premil.

I agree with you for once, in part anyway. The ECF were definitely mostly pre mil. But I cannot comment on anabaptists so I don't know.

A good read on what they believed is in an index in vol VI of Elliott's Horae Apocalipticae The appendix is entitled something like History of Apocaliptic Interpretation. It is well researched with lots of references, mostly in Latin as is the rest of his work. (EDIT the rest of his work has copious footnotes mostly in Greek and Hebrew), he takes an historicist position) It is available on Google Books/ Google play.

 

[John of Japan]

As I remember, Spurgeon said he was called to preach, not to get involved in speculating on prophecy.

Do you have a source for that? Because Bob Ross gave specific sources for his contention that Spurgeon was premil.

 

[John of Japan]

I think the word is yes, or is that a typo?
My Typo, was PPR should be PTR.

No, in America we say "Yeah" as a casual substitute for "yes." But sorry, I don't know what PTR means. We don't use that term on the BB, and I don't go to other forums.

 

[prophecy70]

And now you've sicced some yahoo with the moniker "Saint of Circumstance" onto me on a PM thread who says he wants to debate me on that PM thread, because my views are (in his tortured syntax) "extremely erroneous and wrought (he means "fraught") with error"? And he hides his identity (I'm guessing Catholic) on his "Information" page as "non-Baptist Christian."

well with all that knowledge, you should be able to refute him easily right? I didn't send anyone after you to debate you. I asked him to read the posts yes. I don't even know him other then a few PMs ,he is an adult, he made his own choice about PMing you.

I wasn't here to debate, I was here to learn, which I am from very respected people on here, I was never raised in the baptist and if this was the first baptist post I've encountered, I would be sitting in the front row of a catholic church praying the rosary.

 

[David Kent]

Do you have a source for that? Because Bob Ross gave specific sources for his contention that Spurgeon was premil.

Yes, It was in the magazine for Christian Witness To Israel a year or so ago.It was from an early quote from a message he gave in one of their early conferences. I don't have the magazine in front of me, so I quoted from my memory.