False prophets and their many books

[Iconoclast]

The OP is an example of staying uneducated by ignoring biblical teaching offered by gifted men God has given to the churches.
Such errors could be avoided by looking to those who offer help.

 

[AustinC]

Yes my friend, but your example of Russell is exactly what God warns about and the point that is being made. Your example went on to mislead many whom thought like you and it perpetuates to this day. Had this man truly had an open heart to know God's mind the result would have been the humbling of himself as a servant and he certainly would not have sought the mammon of men's recognition. Nor would he felt the need to start another harlot religion and be followed by men. He undoubtedly lied about his history. The key is to remember and study Christ's Teaching in the Gospels which are reiterated in context throughout every book in the NT.

Hebrews 12:1 does not mean what you propose either my friend.

Sir, Charles Taze Russell would heed no other persons wisdom and created his doctrine from reading and translating according to what he thought was correct. His pride in thinking he had it figured out while all others were wrong led to a false teacher who lead others down that same path.
While we ought always to first observe scripture, ask questions of scripture and interpret scripture, we must always check our observation with the observations of saints who came before us lest we go astray.

2 Thessalonians 2:13-15
But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruitsto be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

 

[Lodic]

All must consider the OP friends, he is making the most critical and important point contained on this forum, heed it.

God's pure Word unadulterated by men's tradition will do wonders for you. Listen intently and force yourself to set aside your indoctrination. It really works and it will work for anyone, that is God's True promise to us in His Word. Men's opinions are not sharper than any two edged sword but His Word is. Men's opinions are full of error, His Word is not. He promises His Spirit would guide us in all Truth, if we are truly seeking His Truth out of a pure heart with no other agendas. Remember, faith comes by hearing the Word of God, not your favorite authors opinions.

Have you ever truly considered why there are so many differences among those whom claim our Lord Jesus Christ?

The point being made is that the "gospel message" since the formation of the Mother (Rome) is NOT the same Gospel Message our Lord delivered Himself, nor the same Gospel Message He Reiterated throughout the New Testament Epistles. All the harlots change Jesus' Message, all of them. Some with prayers, some with sacraments, some with works, some with lip-service, some with infant and young child baptism, some with no baptism at all, some with canon, some with creeds, some with confessions and some with their own scripture. ALL this confusion in the Name of Jesus, really? He is not the author of confusion but of peace.

Bread of Life

The web site in your link is yet another of men's views, just as surely as any book by Billy Graham or R.C. Sproul. How is this supposed to be different from listening to theologians and Biblical teachers? How are the views expressed in the "Jesus said what" site any more reliable than books written by others? Obviously the Scriptures are the written inspired and infallible Word of God. Just as obviously, the views of men are not inspired. That does not mean we should do away with reading extra-Biblical material altogether, else even you would have nothing to do with the web site you provided. Even this Baptist Board forum is very useful as we see how others view Scriptures, and we find all kinds of different views here.

Sure, we have different views of many doctrines. So what? Unity as brothers in Christ doe not mean we must be uniform in all our doctrines. In Romans 14:1-17, Paul address differences among Believers. The conclusion of the matter is that each of us will give an account of himself. We should not pass judgment on other Believers, but the Kingdom of God is "righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit". Does it matter so much if one is Arminian and another is Reformed (Calvinist)? Does it matter so much that one is Baptist, another is Methodist, and another is Assembly of God?

As long as we look primarily to the Scriptures, I suggest all that truly matters is that we follow Christ. Is there really a problem when we read from authors we trust to help us understand the Scriptures? Perhaps the Holy Spirit guided them in writing their material. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is the One who prompted us to read their material. Who prompted you to read the "Bread of Life" article on that web site? After looking through the various pages on that site, I find that I disagree with much of it (especially regarding views of the "end times"). Does that affect our salvation? Of course not. It simply means that we interpret Scripture differently.

 

[SovereignGrace]

The web site in your link is yet another of men's views, just as surely as any book by Billy Graham or R.C. Sproul. How is this supposed to be different from listening to theologians and Biblical teachers? How are the views expressed in the "Jesus said what" site any more reliable than books written by others? Obviously the Scriptures are the written inspired and infallible Word of God. Just as obviously, the views of men are not inspired. That does not mean we should do away with reading extra-Biblical material altogether, else even you would have nothing to do with the web site you provided. Even this Baptist Board forum is very useful as we see how others view Scriptures, and we find all kinds of different views here.

Sure, we have different views of many doctrines. So what? Unity as brothers in Christ doe not mean we must be uniform in all our doctrines. In Romans 14:1-17, Paul address differences among Believers. The conclusion of the matter is that each of us will give an account of himself. We should not pass judgment on other Believers, but the Kingdom of God is "righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit". Does it matter so much if one is Arminian and another is Reformed (Calvinist)? Does it matter so much that one is Baptist, another is Methodist, and another is Assembly of God?

As long as we look primarily to the Scriptures, I suggest all that truly matters is that we follow Christ. Is there really a problem when we read from authors we trust to help us understand the Scriptures? Perhaps the Holy Spirit guided them in writing their material. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is the One who prompted us to read their material. Who prompted you to read the "Bread of Life" article on that web site? After looking through the various pages on that site, I find that I disagree with much of it (especially regarding views of the "end times"). Does that affect our salvation? Of course not. It simply means that we interpret Scripture differently.

Plus, if you are under the authority of a pastor of a local church, his sermons are no different than reading a commentary, IMO.

 

[MB]

JoJ,
Meet MB
In post 49 you offered him solid teaching.
He cannot welcome truth however.
Many offer solid food.
He has no appetite for such truth.
No every person is allowed to welcome truth.
I cannot imagine what he means when he says he taught sunday school. What could he teach that would not be his own words?
The word of a man

You do know they ridiculed Christ don't you. Here you do the same as the sinners do .Natural man Icon
MB

 

[agedman]

Keeping the balance is one of the rules (imo) of good scholarship. Being open to new ideas, and marking them as worthy or unworthy according to your own discernment of Scripture is a must. However, often in my experience, I have come across some who run to excess or fixate on a theory and the distraction tends to distort the thinking.

Scholarship requires the ability to not only defend one’s own thinking, but address the opposing view(s) in a manner of presenting factual Scriptural, historical, and such statements that others may research for validation.

Peer review without which there is no scholarship.

 

[MB]

The web site in your link is yet another of men's views, just as surely as any book by Billy Graham or R.C. Sproul. How is this supposed to be different from listening to theologians and Biblical teachers? How are the views expressed in the "Jesus said what" site any more reliable than books written by others? Obviously the Scriptures are the written inspired and infallible Word of God. Just as obviously, the views of men are not inspired. That does not mean we should do away with reading extra-Biblical material altogether, else even you would have nothing to do with the web site you provided. Even this Baptist Board forum is very useful as we see how others view Scriptures, and we find all kinds of different views here.

Sure, we have different views of many doctrines. So what? Unity as brothers in Christ doe not mean we must be uniform in all our doctrines. In Romans 14:1-17, Paul address differences among Believers. The conclusion of the matter is that each of us will give an account of himself. We should not pass judgment on other Believers, but the Kingdom of God is "righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit". Does it matter so much if one is Arminian and another is Reformed (Calvinist)? Does it matter so much that one is Baptist, another is Methodist, and another is Assembly of God?

As long as we look primarily to the Scriptures, I suggest all that truly matters is that we follow Christ. Is there really a problem when we read from authors we trust to help us understand the Scriptures? Perhaps the Holy Spirit guided them in writing their material. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is the One who prompted us to read their material. Who prompted you to read the "Bread of Life" article on that web site? After looking through the various pages on that site, I find that I disagree with much of it (especially regarding views of the "end times"). Does that affect our salvation? Of course not. It simply means that we interpret Scripture differently.

Are all Calvinist know it all's ?
MB

 

[poor-in-spirit]

These responses are no surprise, Satan has always hated God's unadulterated Word. His business is to twist and distort it as an angel of light and to have men draw disciples unto themselves and not unto our Lord.
ACTS 20:30 KJV "Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them."

Ever wonder why there are so many camps, sects, denominations and cults out there whom all claim the Bible as the final authority? Each one claiming they have the corner on the truth? Well you should and you should also be questioning yourselves harshly when you feel the pricks of contextual Scripture that doesn't fit into the traditions you hold dear of men. Don't keep looking for ways to circumvent or negate them. That is what started me down the path of God only and no more men's opinions.

Until we stop treating His Word as a resource for our "theology" and start treating it as our daily food we will not understand and we will remain the same.
That's not so bad you say to yourself, don't be so sure friends, many have a rude awakening coming and will hear "I never knew you". Think the below doesn't apply to your camp, sect or denomination, you should think long and hard about it because it absolutely does apply.
MATTHEW 23:15 KJV "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and..."

 

[Iconoclast]

You do know they ridiculed Christ don't you. Here you do the same as the sinners do .Natural man Icon
MB

You are not likening yourself to Jesus now, are you?Have you ever noticed no one agrees with you on anything.
It is not because you are suffering for righteousness sake, it is because you are not close to truth but claim the whole world is wrong.
JoJ has been a missionary, a teacher, and bringing the gospel for years and you blew him off as if he was some guy down the street. Get control of yourself.

 

[agedman]

These responses are no surprise, Satan has always hated God's unadulterated Word. His business is to twist and distort it as an angel of light and to have men draw disciples unto themselves and not unto our Lord.
ACTS 20:30 KJV "Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them."

Ever wonder why there are so many camps, sects, denominations and cults out there whom all claim the Bible as the final authority? Each one claiming they have the corner on the truth? Well you should and you should also be questioning yourselves harshly when you feel the pricks of contextual Scripture that doesn't fit into the traditions you hold dear of men. Don't keep looking for ways to circumvent or negate them. That is what started me down the path of God only and no more men's opinions.

Until we stop treating His Word as a resource for our "theology" and start treating it as our daily food we will not understand and we will remain the same.
That's not so bad you say to yourself, don't be so sure friends, many have a rude awakening coming and will hear "I never knew you". Think the below doesn't apply to your camp, sect or denomination, you should think long and hard about it because it absolutely does apply.
MATTHEW 23:15 KJV "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and..."

You have some good thinking in this post.

What I disagree with is perhaps too much emphasis upon going alone in the learning.

I recall in the book “Pilgrim’s Progress” Pilgrim was intercepted by evangelist periodically along the way to steer and advise him.

Folks such as some found on this board have a long history of education and service. Missionaries, college professors, retired educators, pastors, and lay people who certainly get into some heat on issues, but it is generally focused on truth of Scriptures.

These can be a resource to further anyones understanding.

 

[Van]

You do realize that according to Calvinism, false prophets and false teachers have absolute no impact, as nothing they say alters any outcome. Calvinists rip all those passages out and replace them with "being spiritually dead means unable to seek God or trust in Christ" fiction.

 

[John of Japan]

JoJ,
Meet MB
In post 49 you offered him solid teaching.
He cannot welcome truth however.
Many offer solid food.
He has no appetite for such truth.
No every person is allowed to welcome truth.
I cannot imagine what he means when he says he taught sunday school. What could he teach that would not be his own words?
The word of a man

Thank you for the observation.

 

[John of Japan]

This has been a really weird thread.

 

[MB]

This has been a really weird thread.

Oh yes another know it all More Calvinist than christian I'm so glad to have found you out.
MB

 

[agedman]

Oh yes another know it all More Calvinist than christian I'm so glad to have found you out.
MB

John of Japan is a CALVINIST??.

Did you know that @John of Japan?

 

[John of Japan]

John of Japan is a CALVINIST??.

Did you know that @John of Japan?

Wow, I didn't know I was a Calvinist! I knew my best friend was one, but me? That's news.

Until now I've debunked Calvinist theology in my classes, but now that I know I'm a Calvinist (sarcasm alert), I'll have to rethink this.

 

[agedman]

Wow, I didn't know I was a Calvinist! I knew my best friend was one, but me? That's news.

Until now I've debunked Calvinist theology in my classes, but now that I know I'm a Calvinist (sarcasm alert), I'll have to rethink this.

You should anyway.

I trust you give a good balance to the material you offer.

 

[John of Japan]

You should anyway.

I trust you give a good balance to the material you offer.

Since I've been pondering it for 50 years (starting with a college roommate), I probably won't change views at this point in my life.

 

[John of Japan]

Oh yes another know it all More Calvinist than christian I'm so glad to have found you out.
MB

Like I said, a weird thread. You just proved it.

 

[agedman]

Since I've been pondering it for 50 years (starting with a college roommate), I probably won't change views at this point in my life.

.

Are you implying your too old to repent and come to the reformed?

As one who agrees with a limited items from Dort, I still get assigned the label.

I consider the two main sticky problems are the view some carry concerning elected to be condemned, and the teaching many still present of the atonement.

but all that is for another thread.