Final and Only Authority

[utilyan]

The real question is, whether the Holy Bible as we have it in 66 Books, Genesis to Revelation, IS The Word of Almighty God to the human race? IF this is so, and accepted as fact, then it follows, that because it is GODS WORD, then is MUST be the ONLY and FINAL Authority! The Bible does say that ALL SCRIPTURE is God-Breathed, which includes ALL of the Books of the entire Holy Bible, nothing more and nothing less. As Almighty God IS the HIGHEST Authority, then everything that He says IS Infallible and Inerrant, and indeed profitable to ALL, and ALL its Teachings and Commands MUST be True in ALL it says, and must be completely obeyed. If any person doubts that the Holy Bible in its 66 Books is the ultimate Word of Almighty God, and is not the FINAL and ONLY Authority to the human race, then this person cannot be "born-again", and is yet in their sins, as they question the Authority of the very Word of God, and, like Satan said to Adam and Eve, "hath God said?", whereby to question the very nature of God!

"The Bible does say that ALL SCRIPTURE is God-Breathed, which includes ALL of the Books of the entire Holy Bible"

Show bible verse that says "which includes ALL of the Books of the entire Holy Bible".

Because when Timothy is reading that all scripture is God-breathed he would only have had a old testament for a bible. "NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS"

All scripture was not written already when timothy got the message.

"As Almighty God IS the HIGHEST Authority, then everything that He says IS Infallible and Inerrant,"

God's reliability in divine communication is not limited to ink and paper.

The Church is GOD-BREATHED, Jesus breathed on them the holy spirit, The Church is ONE-FLESH with Jesus Christ, Ephesians 5. a claim scripture can never touch.

To say the church has no authority is to say Jesus Christ has no authority. Jesus is one-flesh with the church and he is the head of the church. Jesus Christ RUNS the church.


When Jesus picks a choice of communication, does he choose ink and paper to follow YOUR sense of reliability?

Jesus Christ could have sat down and wrote the entire bible himself, he did not.

I can give you scripture pointing out the INFERIORITY of INK AND PAPER.

2 Corinthians 3

2You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.



"If any person doubts that the Holy Bible in its 66 Books is the ultimate Word "

The books themselves DOUBT IT.

2 Timothy 3

8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.

Show me who is Jannes' and Jambres's. NO CHEATING. You may only use the bible as source.

NO googling to find out the Jewish tradition. I know who they are, with SOLA SCRIPTURA, IMPOSSIBLE.



The best example of being wrong with your 66 works is the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
In exodus for example we read ABOUT the Ten commandments and other works expand on the law.

But the TEN Commandments have not earn its place as a truly independent and perfect written work of God.


Just because the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION can be mentioned in its entirety in a magazine doesn't mean the magazine is the constitution itself. It is a written work on its own.


The TEN COMMANDMENTS are not the Ten commandments only because exodus mentions them!

God wrote this down first before one lick of exodus ever was written.


Here is the sad part, You would deny the Ten Commandments unless EXODUS or another work Verifies it for you.

On its own you would question it,

Imagine Page one of your bible is the ten commandments. #1 thou shalt only drink light beer.

Do you have a ten commandments to look at? Its not your scripture at all, Your going to have to look it up in exodus or some other work.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

"The Bible does say that ALL SCRIPTURE is God-Breathed, which includes ALL of the Books of the entire Holy Bible"

Show bible verse that says "which includes ALL of the Books of the entire Holy Bible".

Because when Timothy is reading that all scripture is God-breathed he would only have had a old testament for a bible. "NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS"

All scripture was not written already when timothy got the message.

"As Almighty God IS the HIGHEST Authority, then everything that He says IS Infallible and Inerrant,"

God's reliability in divine communication is not limited to ink and paper.

The Church is GOD-BREATHED, Jesus breathed on them the holy spirit, The Church is ONE-FLESH with Jesus Christ, Ephesians 5. a claim scripture can never touch.

To say the church has no authority is to say Jesus Christ has no authority. Jesus is one-flesh with the church and he is the head of the church. Jesus Christ RUNS the church.


When Jesus picks a choice of communication, does he choose ink and paper to follow YOUR sense of reliability?

Jesus Christ could have sat down and wrote the entire bible himself, he did not.

I can give you scripture pointing out the INFERIORITY of INK AND PAPER.

2 Corinthians 3

2You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.



"If any person doubts that the Holy Bible in its 66 Books is the ultimate Word "

The books themselves DOUBT IT.

2 Timothy 3

8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.

Show me who is Jannes' and Jambres's. NO CHEATING. You may only use the bible as source.

NO googling to find out the Jewish tradition. I know who they are, with SOLA SCRIPTURA, IMPOSSIBLE.



The best example of being wrong with your 66 works is the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
In exodus for example we read ABOUT the Ten commandments and other works expand on the law.

But the TEN Commandments have not earn its place as a truly independent and perfect written work of God.


Just because the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION can be mentioned in its entirety in a magazine doesn't mean the magazine is the constitution itself. It is a written work on its own.


The TEN COMMANDMENTS are not the Ten commandments only because exodus mentions them!

God wrote this down first before one lick of exodus ever was written.


Here is the sad part, You would deny the Ten Commandments unless EXODUS or another work Verifies it for you.

On its own you would question it,

Imagine Page one of your bible is the ten commandments. #1 thou shalt only drink light beer.

Do you have a ten commandments to look at? Its not your scripture at all, Your going to have to look it up in exodus or some other work.

Are you basically denying that the Holy Bible, which consists of 66 Books, is not the Word of God, and therefore not Infallible and the words of mere men?

On the point of whether the term "Scripture" in 2 Timothy 3:16, also includes the New Testament, I refer you to 1 Timothy 5:18, " For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.”. There are two quotes here, the first is from Deuteronomy 25:4, and the second is from Luke 10:7. Note that both quotes are called "Scripture". And again from 2 Peter, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures" (3:15-16). Here the writings of Paul are called "Scripture" by Peter, who includes them with the other Books, which would have included the Old Testament.

 

[church mouse guy]

Nope the OP covered all this.

We agree the bible is God breathed(you turn the key to start the car) and that the bible is PROFITABLE and helpful(stepping on the gas moves the car).

I already told you how this debate would go. With everyone trying to emphasize the general truth as much as possible as to avoid the LIE.



I'm just pointing at one LIE, one FAKE RULE, one claim that is not true at all. That there exists a BIBLE VERSE that says the BIBLE is the FINAL and ONLY authority. (THE CAR IS BLUE)

This should be a piece of cake. YOU GIVE ME THE VERSE. Or admit it is UNBIBLICAL.


Yes there is a VERSE, NO there is not a verse. PICK ONE!

Jesus is the Word. Therefore both Jesus and the Word are perfect. Rome has added custom and tradition to their own detriment. There is nothing in Scripture that says that you have to be a Roman Catholic to go to Heaven but Pope Benedict said that in Italy a few years ago and it is a very ancient saying of Rome. However, there is nothing in Scripture that says that a Vicar of Christ is needed on earth or is necessary for any reason. When you look at Pope Francis and his attacks on everyone he dislikes, you wonder how he represents anything other than Peronist thinking? He has undone the work of Pope John Paul II and reinstated known communist priests in Latin America.

John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[Adonia]

You can't prove a negative (e.g., show us in the Bible that the Book of Mormon is not an authority). This is a logical fallacy.

All that can be said is Scripture, and in Scripture Christ, testifies that it is the authority. What can be done, however, is to test what is said in the Book of Mormon against Scripture. If one is false then reject it. You just have to decide which to reject.

Those who believe the Bible is God's Word and therefore the final authority have chosen Scripture. Those who believe a book, or a church, have chosen differently. What we cannot do is pretend both to be correct.

What about the Church that was established here on earth (yes, it actually happened) and the authority that resides in it? (Which of course is annotated in the Bible we both read).

 

[Adonia]

It's right there between the verse about purgatory and the verse about priestly celibacy.

When the institution of the Church was established, it was given the authority to decide such things. The words "whatsoever ye may bind......" comes to mind.

 

[Adonia]

Jesus is the Word. Therefore both Jesus and the Word are perfect. Rome has added custom and tradition to their own detriment. There is nothing in Scripture that says that you have to be a Roman Catholic to go to Heaven but Pope Benedict said that in Italy a few years ago and it is a very ancient saying of Rome. However, there is nothing in Scripture that says that a Vicar of Christ is needed on earth or is necessary for any reason. When you look at Pope Francis and his attacks on everyone he dislikes, you wonder how he represents anything other than Peronist thinking? He has undone the work of Pope John Paul II and reinstated known communist priests in Latin America.

John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Why then why does St. Paul talk about tradition? The way they started worshipping for instance (the Apostles and the various Christian communities around the then known world) was passed on by tradition. And the way to worship and live was determined by the central authority, as St Paul also describes in his letters.

 

[church mouse guy]

Why then why does St. Paul talk about tradition? The way they started worshipping for instance (the Apostles and the various Christian communities around the then known world) was passed on by tradition. And the way to worship and live was determined by the central authority, as St Paul also describes in his letters.

It would be helpful if you could detail specific references to this tradition that you are writing about and then explain how it relates to someone becoming the Vicar of Christ, a concept rejected by the Orthodox in 1054 AD and again by the Protestants 500 years ago. Meanwhile Catholicism still teaches that there is no Salvation outside of the walls of the Catholic Church. And then Roman Catholicism has the disaster of Pope Francis who is of the Peronist political movement in Argentina and who believes in Liberation Theology and has reinstated communist priests in Latin America who were set aside by Pope John Paul II. His Peronist ties alone should have disqualified him from the papacy.

 

[steaver]

When the institution of the Church was established, it was given the authority to decide such things. The words "whatsoever ye may bind......" comes to mind.

Was it given the Authority to teach things against the Authority of God's Word?

Your version of the Church having Final Authority is found horribly flawed within the Scripture itself.

Let's look at some of these things you say the Church was given the Authority to bind.

"Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."

"And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth."

How was it going with these churches? Looks like they were losing their way. Now why is that? 1) They left their first love. Just a few decades after Christ departed they were already going about making up their own rules and Jesus Christ was not part of it. 2) They were bringing in doctrines of the devil.

Looks like the Church's "binding" was looking nothing like the Church of Jesus Christ. And what was Jesus' answer to all of this fornication and evil?
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. THE WORD OF GOD would settle these matters and ultimately do the binding.

You believe the Church can't be wrong. Look how wrong they were just a few decades after Christ departed. The Church does not get to do as it pleases, the Church is governed by the Word of God, thus, the Word of God is the one and ONLY FINAL AUTHORITY. Anyone trying to usurp that Authority from God would be antichrist, as Jesus clearly shown in His rebuke to the Church.

 

[JonC]

What about the Church that was established here on earth (yes, it actually happened) and the authority that resides in it? (Which of course is annotated in the Bible we both read).

But how is that authority derived? That is the difference.

Some would say that Scripture recorded the church being given this authority so the church itself is that final authority. I have Catholic friends who believe this. Most are Roman Catholics, but I have a couple of Greek Orthodox friends who believe the same...they just hold different churches as possessing that authority. And that brings up a good issue (for Catholics). Roman primacy was never established except within the Roman Catholic Church centuries long after the Apostolic Age.

I believe differently. I do not think that this is the type of authority Christ gave His church. The only authority we see being given in terms of faith itself is Scripture (in the passage provided). That is why the OP is a fallacy in itself. You can't prove, or disprove, what is absent.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Jesus is the Word. Therefore both Jesus and the Word are perfect. Rome has added custom and tradition to their own detriment. There is nothing in Scripture that says that you have to be a Roman Catholic to go to Heaven but Pope Benedict said that in Italy a few years ago and it is a very ancient saying of Rome. However, there is nothing in Scripture that says that a Vicar of Christ is needed on earth or is necessary for any reason. When you look at Pope Francis and his attacks on everyone he dislikes, you wonder how he represents anything other than Peronist thinking? He has undone the work of Pope John Paul II and reinstated known communist priests in Latin America.

John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus is the "Logos" and not the "rhema". The first is the "expression" as in the "revelation" of "God manifested in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16). the second is the "written" word, as in the writings of the Holy Bible. Jesus is not the same as the "written Word of God", there is a clear distinction. The Roman Catholic "church" teaches a "gospel" that is not based on the "rehma" of God, and therefore a false "gospel" and false "salvation".

 

[HankD]

IF they had faith they would have corrected the matter as Jesus prescribed "Take it to the church".

It was taken to the Church but the "Church (RCC)" had corrupted itself and the reformation was required.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Trying to change the subject is not going to change the fact that stating that scripture says scripture is final and only authority is a LIE.

it is a faith principle and therefore not a lie.

The just shall live by faith.


HankD

 

[JonC]

The point is something that is profitable isn't even required. It only helps. And to it all gear towards GOOD WORKS.

Nothing states scripture is the Final and ONLY authority.

You are arguing in circles. Scripture offers itself as one (and a final) authority. You want proof there is no other from Scripture. This is a fallacy. Scripture offers itself, but no other. Sure, you can say it does not deny the Book of Mormon so where doctrines clash you get to choose. But again, you can only say this out of faulty logic.

 

[utilyan]

Are you basically denying that the Holy Bible, which consists of 66 Books, is not the Word of God, and therefore not Infallible and the words of mere men?

On the point of whether the term "Scripture" in 2 Timothy 3:16, also includes the New Testament, I refer you to 1 Timothy 5:18, " For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.”. There are two quotes here, the first is from Deuteronomy 25:4, and the second is from Luke 10:7. Note that both quotes are called "Scripture". And again from 2 Peter, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures" (3:15-16). Here the writings of Paul are called "Scripture" by Peter, who includes them with the other Books, which would have included the Old Testament.

I just showed you as a matter of fact YOU DENY the TEN COMMANDMENTS which are holy scripture written by God.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

I just showed you as a matter of fact YOU DENY the TEN COMMANDMENTS which are holy scripture written by God.

You have not answered my very simple question?

 

[Felipe Rios]

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This is how I know this debate will sound like.

Imagine you have a WHITE car and some man comes and says it is BLUE.

You ask him to show you where it is blue, So he proceeds to tell you a car must have four wheels, an engine, when you turn the key it turns on the car, and when you step on the gas it moves around, so therefore the car is BLUE!

He will emphasize all that is True to obscure his falsehood which is the car is blue when it clearly is not.

Our Protestant and Reformed brethren swear there is a verse in the bible that says the BIBLE is the FINAL AND ONLY AUTHORITY.

Show us this VERSE.

We are not asking for verses that show the bible is TRUE(the car has an engine) or that it is important(the car has four wheels), We indeed believe the bible is true and important.

What we want is the verse that says the BIBLE is the FINAL and ONLY AUTHORITY(the car is blue)

We agree the bible is God breathed(you turn the key to start the car) and that the bible is PROFITABLE and helpful(stepping on the gas moves the car)

We however want to see this VERSE they claim exists, that the BIBLE is the FINAL and ONLY authority(the car is blue).

Show us this verse or admit it is unbiblical.

If the Bible is not the only Authority, then what else is? Some people say the Pope, or a Pastor, or a Revelation, etc.. The problem with this is that how do we know that they are correct? How do we know that it is truly from God? How do we know if they are making things up? We wouldn't really be able to tell. The best way is to stick to scripture ALONE and nothing else. The bible is true and it cannot be in error so therefore it is the ONLY authority by which Christians should follow. I think this is very basic and logical argument.

 

[Felipe Rios]

There do

Nope the OP covered all this.

We agree the bible is God breathed(you turn the key to start the car) and that the bible is PROFITABLE and helpful(stepping on the gas moves the car).

I already told you how this debate would go. With everyone trying to emphasize the general truth as much as possible as to avoid the LIE.



I'm just pointing at one LIE, one FAKE RULE, one claim that is not true at all. That there exists a BIBLE VERSE that says the BIBLE is the FINAL and ONLY authority. (THE CAR IS BLUE)

This should be a piece of cake. YOU GIVE ME THE VERSE. Or admit it is UNBIBLICAL.


Yes there is a VERSE, NO there is not a verse. PICK ONE!

There doesn't have to be a verse stating that the Bible is the ONLY authority in order for the Bible to be the ONLY authority. Do you believe in the Trinity? I bet you do. Show me a verse that says that God is a "triune" being. Show me a verse where the bible says that God is a "Trinity." There is no verse!!! Does that mean God is not a Trinity? Of course not! The bible shows through different verses that He is a Trinity. Now use the same argument in this case!

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

There do

There doesn't have to be a verse stating that the Bible is the ONLY authority in order for the Bible to be the ONLY authority. Do you believe in the Trinity? I bet you do. Show me a verse that says that God is a "triune" being. Show me a verse where the bible says that God is a "Trinity." There is no verse!!! Does that mean God is not a Trinity? Of course not! The bible shows through different verses that He is a Trinity. Now use the same argument in this case!

1 John 5:7, as found in reliable Bible versions, like the King James, New King James, we have this very important verse, which is the clearest Teaching from the Holy Bible on the Holy Trinity:

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one"

It was corrupted at a very early time, because of its Great Truth. However, God did preserve this reading, which was known at a very early time to the Christian writers, like Tertullian and Cyprian, both who lived about 200 years before our oldest known Greek manuscripts.

 

[church mouse guy]

Jesus is the "Logos" and not the "rhema". The first is the "expression" as in the "revelation" of "God manifested in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16). the second is the "written" word, as in the writings of the Holy Bible. Jesus is not the same as the "written Word of God", there is a clear distinction. The Roman Catholic "church" teaches a "gospel" that is not based on the "rehma" of God, and therefore a false "gospel" and false "salvation".

Is this official RCC teaching? To me, this is a distinction without a difference. For one thing, the Word was spoken first and Scripture is merely the written copy. I cannot believe that the Pope is superior to Scripture.

Here is a paper published by Liberty University commenting on your point:

Some may argue that there is a difference between the written and the spoken Word of God,
which in turn exposes one problem when defining the authority of Scripture. Many, even those
among Christendom, see the Bible as nothing more than an ancient literary work finished nearly
two-thousand years ago, begging the question, what authority does this ancient work bear on
modern life? Martin S. Jaffee states, “Ontologies of the written and spoken word are thus bound
up with systems of power relationships,”2 which indicates that the nature of the “Word,” its
being, is the same whether spoken or written. Agreeing with the correspondence of the word of
God regardless of form, Herman A. Preus comments, “The Word, whether written, spoken, or
signed, is the same Word,” prefaced by, “…God speaks to us in three different ways. But it is the
2 Martin S. Jaffee, "A Rabbinic Ontology of the Written and Spoken Word: On Discipleship, Transformative Knowledge, and the Living Texts of Oral Torah," Journal of the American Academy of Religion 65, no. 3 (September 1997): 525-549. ATLA Religion Database with ATLASerials, EBSCOhost (accessed July 29, 2016), 529.
2
Diligence: Journal of the Liberty University Online Religion Capstone in Research and Scholarship, Vol. 1 [2016], Iss. 1, Art. 1
"The Authority of Scripture" by James T. Myers III


same Word that He speaks in all three.”3 Thus, for believers there need not be a distinction,
which is useful to the debate and illustrated in the commonly quoted verses for biblical authority.

http://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=djrc

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Is this official RCC teaching? To me, this is a distinction without a difference. For one thing, the Word was spoken first and Scripture is merely the written copy. I cannot believe that the Pope is superior to Scripture.

Here is a paper published by Liberty University commenting on your point:

Some may argue that there is a difference between the written and the spoken Word of God,
which in turn exposes one problem when defining the authority of Scripture. Many, even those
among Christendom, see the Bible as nothing more than an ancient literary work finished nearly
two-thousand years ago, begging the question, what authority does this ancient work bear on
modern life? Martin S. Jaffee states, “Ontologies of the written and spoken word are thus bound
up with systems of power relationships,”2 which indicates that the nature of the “Word,” its
being, is the same whether spoken or written. Agreeing with the correspondence of the word of
God regardless of form, Herman A. Preus comments, “The Word, whether written, spoken, or
signed, is the same Word,” prefaced by, “…God speaks to us in three different ways. But it is the
2 Martin S. Jaffee, "A Rabbinic Ontology of the Written and Spoken Word: On Discipleship, Transformative Knowledge, and the Living Texts of Oral Torah," Journal of the American Academy of Religion 65, no. 3 (September 1997): 525-549. ATLA Religion Database with ATLASerials, EBSCOhost (accessed July 29, 2016), 529.
2
Diligence: Journal of the Liberty University Online Religion Capstone in Research and Scholarship, Vol. 1 [2016], Iss. 1, Art. 1
"The Authority of Scripture" by James T. Myers III


same Word that He speaks in all three.”3 Thus, for believers there need not be a distinction,
which is useful to the debate and illustrated in the commonly quoted verses for biblical authority.

http://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=djrc

I don't follow your response? I was mainly responding to the comments, "Jesus is the Word. Therefore both Jesus and the Word are perfect.", where it appears that Jesus Christ is equated to the "written Word" (Holy Bible) in some sense? The words that "both Jesus and the Word are perfect.", show that there is a distinction intended, which cannot refer to John 1:1, etc, where Jesus is called the "Logos"

 

[utilyan]

There do

There doesn't have to be a verse stating that the Bible is the ONLY authority in order for the Bible to be the ONLY authority. Do you believe in the Trinity? I bet you do. Show me a verse that says that God is a "triune" being. Show me a verse where the bible says that God is a "Trinity." There is no verse!!! Does that mean God is not a Trinity? Of course not! The bible shows through different verses that He is a Trinity. Now use the same argument in this case!

"There doesn't have to be a verse stating that the Bible is the ONLY authority in order for the Bible to be the ONLY authority."

I never said there has to be, Felipe.

The Church can very well decide to make the rule Sola Scriptura.

The point I am making is there is NO VERSE that states Scripture is the Final and ONLY authority.

That this RULE ITSELF is UNBIBLICAL.


I understand the approach of Implicit and Explicit, Nothing hints that scripture is the FINAL and ONLY authority.

I can easily point out Jesus giving authority to his disciples IN THE SAME CALIBER that the FATHER gives HIM authority. I can easily point out the church is God-breathed, and That Jesus is one flesh with the church.

Scripture tells us, The Father is God, The holy spirit is God, Jesus Christ is God, doesn't use the word trinity.

There is no hints whatsoever to give any implication that Scripture is the highest and only authority.


The point I am making is there is NO VERSE that states Scripture is the Final and ONLY authority.

That this RULE ITSELF is UNBIBLICAL.

The reluctance to cough up the truth speaks volumes.

Your getting close, you said "there doesn't have to be a verse stating that the Bible is the ONLY authority"

I want to hear you say THERE IS NO VERSE, IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE.

I know it would make some people sick just to say it^. They love the LIE.