The point is that your position "needs" to pretend that John 1:13 is the only verse contained in John 1.
I have "shown" that a careful review of the first 13 verses does not allow the spin you seek to place on vs 13.
In my previous post I "show" how details pointed out in vs 4-9 POINT to an ARMINIAN conclusion.
You argue that vs 5-9 ARE NOT vs 13!!! How "logical is THAT"!!??\
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"Light shines in DARKNESS" - the entire world is said to be in darkness not just the jews.
"so that ALL might believe through Him" Unqualified - the message of John in the Gospels has gone to all the WORLD.
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But your nonsensical response to the DETAILS of John 1 is just to point out that vs 4-9 IS NOT the spin you are seeking with vs 13...
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JAmes said
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NOPE...nothing here about "nor by the will of man"
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And you are actually "satisfied with that"???
See 4-9 for perhaps the first time.
Calvinists will sometime place such a spin on one verse in a chapter that they can not “Afford” to see the details in the entire chapter – that do not support that “spin”.
In the case of John 1 – it is sometimes seen that Calvinists want to get vs 13 “in a vacuum” as if the rest of the chapter (and all its Calvinist disconfirm details) did not exist.
It is particularly helpful to those who do that – to avoid vs 4-9 and misdirect from the clear scope of the gospel message shown there.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him.
8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.
#1. Christ is the Light of Mankind (not just the FEW of Matt7)
#2. The Light “shines in darkness” not just to “believers”.
#3. Not all to whom that light is sent – will accept it.
#4. Yet the ministry and MISSION of that Gospel light is so that
“ALL might believe”
#5. Christ is the light that COMING Into the WORLD enlightens EVERY one of mankind not merely a downsized-Gospel for
“All-of-the-FEW of Matt 7”.
Sometimes when confronted with these disconfirming facts – a Calvinist will simply respond in effect “yes but that is inconvenient to the focus I prefer when reading vs 13 alone”.
