Featured God's decrees all from the beginning

I'm going to tread carefully here because I could easily get in over my head. Contrary to what my children and grandchildren think, I really don't know everything.

I like Chuck Blair's little saying better than the one you suggest. Mainly because I understand the implications related to God's immutability. I'm going to have to think about the implications of yours.

Not only that, brother, but I'm a little intimidated by people who cite the neoplatonic maximal. That's another thing my grandkids think I know about that I don't.

 

The problem is what you hold as to the meaning of those terms as well as how they are applied. Unless there is scripture to back up an assumption the assumption is in vain since anyone can take a word or words and try and make doctrine. May I remind you of the JW's and the Mormons.
Also what you mean by what you state is not clear. Are you saying that He has will every event in all history or just some things?

 

Believe it was CS lewis that postulated that God is eternally in the present "Now" outside of time, so all things known by Him as all happening 'right now' so nothing that would be future/unknown to him!

Also, God in the person Of Jesus upon the Cross identifed personal fashion with ALL the sins everto be done, so he really does "relate" to his creation, being willingly to die in their stead and behalf!

 

Proof verse: Gal. 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

 

An other: Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

 

I believe God does what God does without micromanaging all things yet in the end of it all the ends will have been justified. And here are several verses I believe to support that.

Romans 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Phil 2:10,11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Eph. 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; in him:

 

Tom, from your OP, do you then imply or seek to engender discussion, that there are things that were not willed nor decreed by God that have occured, are occurring or will occur?

 

Isn't it wonderful to be known by and to worship GOD!

 

I would tend to agree with you that God does not change as there is nothing which surprises Him, even in those moments of scripture which seem to indicate that He changed "his mind" or course of action, I would have to say He knew that ahead of "time". Now if someone could PROVE that God changes with respect to what creatures "surprise" him with, the ONLY possibility is that it is the way in which he intended it to be. Personally, that then would (to me) alter the concept of omniscience.

 

IF Open theists are correct, and I DONT think they are, wouldn't they be saying God can self limit Himself to NOT know future events , that he would interect in lionear time as we do?

maybe just as Son became a man nd limited Himself, Godhead themselves could choose that?

 

The god of open theism is the creation of man and is not the God of the Bible.

 

Some do say that.

 

jesus could self limit himself, by taking on the limitations inherit with a Human body, but can ALl of the Godhead be able to self limit themselves?

 

Two problems with this. One, you have him willing sin...and two, you have God confined to time with your "beginning" phrase.

Other than that, :thumbs: :laugh: