The Law you are undertaking to obey perfectly or just a few yards way one hundred per hundred yards is the Law the Israelites swore to obey and got no further with obeying than the spot they offered worship to a golden calf. So, beware that you have not bitten off more than you can chew, what swallow camel gnat and all. Or digest!
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Has the Law of Moses Been Abolished?
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The Law you are undertaking to obey perfectly or just a few yards way one hundred per hundred yards is the Law the Israelites swore to obey and got no further with obeying than the spot they offered worship to a golden calf. So, beware that you have not bitten off more than you can chew, what swallow camel gnat and all. Or digest!
I do not know how you arrived at that but I am NOT trying to perfectly obey The Law. Y'shua did that for me, and I am one of The Israel of YHVH, from the child of Promise.
Eric Pickles
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Yes, the law of Moses has been abolished.
Read John 1 v 17 and Galatians 3 v 24.
The OT law was fulfilled on the cross when the veil was torn from top to bottom.
Read John 1 v 17 and Galatians 3 v 24.
The OT law was fulfilled on the cross when the veil was torn from top to bottom.
I am so GLAD you wrote that Eric. I am in TOTAL agreement with you. SOME are trying to keep hold of The Law, because they as yet do not understand the concept of Faith in The Messiah. Appreciate your back-up!
The world is still under the laws of MOSES ! Those BORN AGAIN are under the laws of JESUS CHRIST and HIS priesthood ! The New LASWS are LOVE and FAITH ! The New Priesthood is Judah ! The old laws of tithing was for the Levi tribe ! To take care of them !
Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. God wants us to be givers as HE is ! But we no longer are forced to give ! We now give out of LOVE Not Force ! Once born again ! Which is JESAUS CHRIST giving us a New Spirit , Which is GODS child ! Our old spirit [the old man] is gone forever more ! our New Spirit is born of GODS perfect seed ! And cannot5 sin ! But our flesh can and dies a sinner ! Our New Man [New Spirit ] grows by us feeding it GODS living words ! GODS words are life to us ! Our new spirit starts off a baby as any new birth is !
Heb_5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
1Pe_2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.The truth sets us free !
Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. God wants us to be givers as HE is ! But we no longer are forced to give ! We now give out of LOVE Not Force ! Once born again ! Which is JESAUS CHRIST giving us a New Spirit , Which is GODS child ! Our old spirit [the old man] is gone forever more ! our New Spirit is born of GODS perfect seed ! And cannot5 sin ! But our flesh can and dies a sinner ! Our New Man [New Spirit ] grows by us feeding it GODS living words ! GODS words are life to us ! Our new spirit starts off a baby as any new birth is !
Heb_5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
1Pe_2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.The truth sets us free !
So what is the point you are trying to make? Your punctuation and Grammar are all over the place. As Dylan wrote: "...know your song well before you start singing..."
Jesus/Y'shua did not abolish The Law: He fulfilled it, completed it. No-one else on this planet could nor can EVER accomplish this. Only Messiah could do that, and He did do. Now, His Israel (which includes me) walks in the imputation of His glorious achievement. Thanks be to YHVH!
Fulfilled means to give it proper meaning/understanding.
Mat 5:19 “Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.
Right. Let's get TO this. Are you a Christian Jew or a Christian Gentile?
The question to answer is what Christ was speaking about when He referenced "The Law."
I would suggest to you that in view was the Covenant of Law, and that has been fulfilled in Christ, and by Christ, hence there is nothing which impedes the coming passing away of the heavens and the earth.
The reason we "uphold the Law" is due to the Eternal Indwelling promised by God to Old Testament Saints, whereby we are made to walk in His statutes and keep His judgments:
Acts 1:4-5
King James Version (KJV)
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, and that Reconciliation is the process of the believer being immersed into God in Eternal union.
The Law could not take away sins, only Christ could fulfill what the Law gave in shadow and parable. He not only took away our sins, but has bestowed Remission of Sins in completion, even as He promised:
Jeremiah 31:31-34
King James Version (KJV)
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Welcome to the Forum, Christiang, I hope your time here will be blessed.
God bless.
True the law was fulfilled by the atonement of Jesus Christ.
IMO "nullified" is a better word than "abolished" Eric.
However the law still exists.
Check your bible to see if Genesis, Exodus,Leviticus,Numbers and Deuteronomy are there.
Yes they are and they will be there until heaven and earth pass away every jot and tittle.
It still has the purpose of condemnation.
It is a witness to the world of the human failure of the righteousness of the Old Covenant.
Romans 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
It is "abolished" (or nullified) in the sense that it cannot justify a person before God - only faith can do that.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Yes, some folks still attempt to impress God with the ministry of "filthy rags".
He is not impressed.
Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Christ is our hope not the law.
Galatians 2
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
HankD
Not at all, fulfilled means...fulfilled.
For example, the Law prescribed Animal Sacrifice for atonement of sin, which was a picture of the Reality of the Atonement Christ would obtain for believers.
He fulfilled the Law, which is why animal sacrifice is no longer acceptable for remission of sins.
So for you to "keep the Law," or "keep the Torah," you are demanded to offer up sacrifice for your sin, or, you are not keeping the Law, or the Torah, you are simply cherry-picking the Word of God in order to seek to draw men away from Christ.
Here is the conclusion of an Inspired Writer of Scripture:
Hebrews 10
King James Version (KJV)
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Learn what "perfection" is, then you will understand what it means to fulfill the Law.
God bless.
Apparently neither. He is a devotee of the Hebrew Roots Movement (HRM) which denies the Trinity and the deity of Christ (Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man) among other orthodox doctrine.
HRM is an offshoot of the Herbert Armstrong cult.
HankD
I am NEITHER
A gentile is someone not in covenant with the Father.
Only Israel has the covenants (read who it is given to).
I am not Christian (pagan beliefs intertwined with lawless rhetoric)
I am not Jewish (A term for race today - ashkenasi or shephardic) who also have their own form of religion.
I am an engrafted believer into the true people of Israel and partaker of the covenants through Faith (trust) and worked out in obedience to the written word alone.
I am a Gentile who is grafted into The Olive Tree. Y'shua appointed a Jewish Turk (Paul of Tarsus) to bring this message to people like me. As such, I am part of 'The Israel of YHVH'. (Not ALL who are called Israel are Israel, but only those who are descended from "...the child of promise...").
First, if you are "awaiting a reply," and have not followed proper quoting procedure, then you will be waiting a long time, because I do not receive a notification unless I am actually quoted. Posting within another members' post is bad form, and can lead to confusion as to who said what, so if you need help understanding how to quote, let me know, I'll be glad to help you with that.
Secondly, why you would "discard the KJV" is of little importance to me, as I view it as a great translation, though it confuses some people.
Third, we do not rely on any translation to form our Theology, we must look at the original languages and cultures, that we do not let the culture of King James or our modern culture lead us astray in understanding any particular passage.
Lastly, I am now awaiting a response to the points supported by Scripture made in this post.
Not sure who that is.
Related to RC?
I like this part of your post best.
God bless.
Yeah, concerning Sproul, that was my mistake.
So, concerning Isaac, are you one of his descendants and a member of YHVH's true Israel as I am? THIS is the point - I have NO interest in King James nor any of that stuff. I have the Hebrew to English Old Testament and the Greek to English New Testament.
So, concerning Isaac, are you one of his descendants and a member of YHVH's true Israel as I am? THIS is the point - I have NO interest in King James nor any of that stuff. I have the Hebrew to English Old Testament and the Greek to English New Testament.
Again we see you adding and taking away from that which God has spoken:
Could you show me "Torah" in this...
John 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Perhaps you should get together with some Jehovah Witnesses, Jason. Because you might be able to convince some of the that "In the beginning was a Torah, and a Torah was with God, and a Torah was God."
They are more likely to fall in with you in your habit of making any word deserving of worship.
God bless.
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