Hell Is Not the Lake of Fire

[Van]

Same can be applied to Gehenna since there are different applications/definitions for how it is used in the verse.

Look at the Greek word for pneuma; there are other usage & definitions for pneuma besides the Person of the Holy Spirit; like the devil; man's spirit; vital principle, mental mindset so we cannot say they will all apply to the Holy Spirit. It is how it is used in the verse & context of the message that defines its usage & meaning for why we need His wisdom in understanding His words but the Good News is, He wants to help us understand His words of those who love Him & seek His face in being His disciples.

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? KJV

Just because some translation choices are ambiguous, does not mean all the choices are ambiguous. The Gehenna of Fire is probably the Lake of Fire.

 

[Van]

One other point: Jesus never says nor suggests any saved person might be thrown into either the Lake of Fire or the Gehenna of Fire. OtOH, Jesus says those given to Him will not be cast out!! (John 6:37)

 

[SavedByGrace]

Right, since you ignore the evidence I provided... If hell is replaced with either Hades or Gehenna, per the Greek, then clarity results.

you don't know what you are talking about!

 

[SavedByGrace]

The Gehenna of Fire is probably the Lake of Fire.

evidence for this?

 

[Van]

you don't know what you are talking about!

Typical taint so post, the mindless twaddle of deception.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Typical taint so post, the mindless twaddle of deception.

lets try this one more time and see if you can grasp what I am saying.

Let us take Matthew 5:22, "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

The Greek for "hell" here is "γέεννα". Note that Jesus is talking about "brother", which must mean a saved person. Right? Then it must also follow, that this term γέεννα, cannot be in the literal sense, as not saved person is going to any "lake of fine"!

 

[Van]

lets try this one more time and see if you can grasp what I am saying.

Let us take Matthew 5:22, "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

The Greek for "hell" here is "γέεννα". Note that Jesus is talking about "brother", which must mean a saved person. Right? Then it must also follow, that this term γέεννα, cannot be in the literal sense, as not saved person is going to any "lake of fine"!

Grasping what you are saying is not the problem, it is the bogus view of loss of salvation.
The word is (transliterated) Gehenna.
So the bogus view is "brother" refers to a saved person, rather than a genetic relation, the actual meaning as used in this verse.

 

[37818]

2 Peter 3:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; KJV

Look it up in your modern bible version because it is there.

2 Peter 3:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; NIV

2 Peter 3:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; NASB

2 Peter 3:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; ESV

So this place called hell is a holding area before the final judgment of being cast into the lake of fire therefore hell is not the lake of fire

The charge that KJV mistranslated it as hell when it should be sheol or Hades as if hell is the lake of fire is false. Not one anti-KJV considered why there are 2 names for that place; why not just stick with Hades? Why use sheol as another reference for Hades? If the scripture allows for that, then hell can be allowed for it too.

As it is, hell, aka hades, aka sheol & death will be cast into the lake of fire so this charge against the KJV needs to be dropped.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. KJV

In the KJV there are three places translated by the word "hell." One of which is the place identified as the lake of fire.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Grasping what you are saying is not the problem, it is the bogus view of loss of salvation.
The word is (transliterated) Gehenna.
So the bogus view is "brother" refers to a saved person, rather than a genetic relation, the actual meaning as used in this verse.

Matthew 10:28

"Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna"

In verse 1 we read, "He called to Himself His Twelve Disciples". In verse 5, "Jesus sent these Twelve out, and charged them, saying". In verse 16, "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves". And verse 20, "For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you". Verse 22, "You will be hated by all men for My Name's sake". None of this can have been spoken to those who are not "believers".

 

[Yeshua1]

Matthew 10:28

"Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna"

In verse 1 we read, "He called to Himself His Twelve Disciples". In verse 5, "Jesus sent these Twelve out, and charged them, saying". In verse 16, "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves". And verse 20, "For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you". Verse 22, "You will be hated by all men for My Name's sake". None of this can have been spoken to those who are not "believers".

Will any believer be cast into lake of fire?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Will any believer be cast into lake of fire?

if you mean any person who has had their sins forgiven, washed in the Blood of Jesus Christ, and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and BORN ANEW, the answer can only be NO! The term "believer" is too lose.

 

[Yeshua1]

if you mean any person who has had their sins forgiven, washed in the Blood of Jesus Christ, and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and BORN ANEW, the answer can only be NO! The term "believer" is too lose.

Believer in Jesus as Lord is a Christian, correct?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Believer in Jesus as Lord is a Christian, correct?

the JW's also "believe", as does the devil, and most of the other cults! and Roman Catholics, and Orthodox, etc

 

[Hark]

Just because some translation choices are ambiguous, does not mean all the choices are ambiguous. The Gehenna of Fire is probably the Lake of Fire.

Probably is noted here for which again has to be defined by how it is used in the verse & context of the message with His help

 

[Yeshua1]

the JW's also "believe", as does the devil, and most of the other cults! and Roman Catholics, and Orthodox, etc

as John and other Apostles define believing in Jesus as Lord would not be same as Mormons and JW!

 

[Hark]

In the KJV there are three places translated by the word "hell." One of which is the place identified as the lake of fire.

To make full proof of your testimony, you should have included the verse.

 

[SavedByGrace]

as John and other Apostles define believing in Jesus as Lord would not be same as Mormons and JW!

what is your problem? If I don't prefer the term "believer", but rather a saved or born-again Christian, how is this wrong? You are just trying to argue for the sake of it!

 

[Yeshua1]

what is your problem? If I don't prefer the term "believer", but rather a saved or born-again Christian, how is this wrong? You are just trying to argue for the sake of it!

We agree that a Christian can be any of those terms!

 

[SavedByGrace]

We agree that a Christian can be any of those terms!

dude, you like "believer", and me, I like "born-again", as I believe that it says more! Now tell us what you have to say of verses like Matthew 5:22, where Jesus refers to "brothers" and "gehenna"?

 

[37818]

Believer in Jesus as Lord is a Christian, correct?

Not all according Jesus, Matthew 7:21-23.