His determinate counsel

[reformedbeliever]

I noticed a :laugh: , but no smiley. That can mean anything, and still doesn't mean it is ok to state a falsehood.

It will all be ok in a bit web. This thread has gone on for over 30 pages, and I suspect that a mod will be along to let you off the hook for a bit shortly.

 

[reformedbeliever]

It will all be ok in a bit web. This thread has gone on for over 30 pages, and I suspect that a mod will be along to let you off the hook for a bit shortly.

Besides, I have a football game to attend. I sincerely pray you have a great weekend brother. And I do sincerely love you. I even enjoy our little "passionate" discussions. :laugh: Grace and peace.

 

[Amy.G]

I love you too...but yes it does

Double, triple, quadrouple, cintuplet (making them up now) SIGH!

I know the verse has the word through in it, just not where you keep claiming.

It's FOR salvation, not THROUGH salvation.

We were chosen FOR salvation. What does that mean to you?

 

[Bible-boy]

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[webdog]

Double, triple, quadrouple, cintuplet (making them up now) SIGH!

I know the verse has the word through in it, just not where you keep claiming.

It's FOR salvation, not THROUGH salvation.

We were chosen FOR salvation. What does that mean to you?

Amy, you are really confusing the issue. I never stated we are chosen through salvation. We are chosen for salvation through...you cannot separate them. At any rate, what's the difference?
If I buy a plain ticket FOR California with stops THROUGH Texas and Nevada, I'm not going to California unless I go through Texas and Nevada.

 

[webdog]

Besides, I have a football game to attend. I sincerely pray you have a great weekend brother. And I do sincerely love you. I even enjoy our little "passionate" discussions. :laugh: Grace and peace.

Same to you..."old man" :laugh:

 

[Amy.G]

Amy, you are really confusing the issue. I never stated we are chosen through salvation. We are chosen for salvation through...you cannot separate them.
If I buy a plain ticket FOR California with stops THROUGH Texas and Nevada, I'm not going to California unless I go through Texas and Nevada.

Or....if you were chosen to take a trip to Cal. and it stopped in Texas, you will not get to Cal. unless you go through Texas.

The question remains. Why were you chosen to go to California?

 

[reformedbeliever]

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Ok web....... now you have twenty four hours to win this debate. I'm sorry I won't be here. You know..... football.
Our freshly, newley, is that a word?... Calvinist Amy, will take up the debate.... quite worthily, is that a word?... I might add.......... lol

Have a great weekend everyone!

 

[npetreley]

How can you have sequence without time? That doesn't even make sense.

What? You're limiting God's sovereignty over time that He has to obey your rules of how a sequence can occur?

Sorry - I couldn't resist a parody of one of YOUR illogical arguments. (i.e. that God can abdicate His sovereignty over our decisions yet still be sovereign over that decision.)

 

[reformedbeliever]

Or....if you were chosen to take a trip to Cal. and it stopped in Texas, you will not get to Cal. unless you go through Texas.

The question remains. Why were you chosen to go to California?

Great question. Texas is a fantastic state........
Why would anyone want to go to California?
Wait.... I'm an OU Sooner fan.... ok, i'm outa here.....
Old man? I resemble that.

 

[Amy.G]

Ok web....... now you have twenty four hours to win this debate. I'm sorry I won't be here. You know..... football.
Our freshly, newley, is that a word?... Calvinist Amy, will take up the debate.... quite worthily, is that a word?... I might add.......... lol

Have a great weekend everyone!

Ha! I'm a freshly, newly and you're an old man! :laugh: :laugh:


Just kidding. Cause I'm an old lady! :laugh:

 

[npetreley]

Amy, you are really confusing the issue. I never stated we are chosen through salvation. We are chosen for salvation through...you cannot separate them. At any rate, what's the difference?
If I buy a plain ticket FOR California with stops THROUGH Texas and Nevada, I'm not going to California unless I go through Texas and Nevada.

If all else fails, create an analogy that suits your point. But as Amy showed, an analogy can take you anywhere you want. All you do is end up arguing over the analogy and you get no closer to the truth.

 

[Amy.G]

I gotta go for awhile, but I may have to start another thread to find out why web is going to California.

 

[webdog]

What? You're limiting God's sovereignty over time that He has to obey your rules of how a sequence can occur?

Sorry - I couldn't resist a parody of one of YOUR illogical arguments. (i.e. that God can abdicate His sovereignty over our decisions yet still be sovereign over that decision.)

Why are your posts so antagonistic? Why are you so bitter and angry all of the time? It truly is quite sad... :tear:

 

[webdog]

Or....if you were chosen to take a trip to Cal. and it stopped in Texas, you will not get to Cal. unless you go through Texas.

The question remains. Why were you chosen to go to California?

God "bought the ticket" with Christ. In order to go, you need to make the stops. Why? 2 Peter 3:9.

 

[Amy.G]

God "bought the ticket" with Christ. In order to go, you need to make the stops. Why? 2 Peter 3:9.

Using the same interpretation that you do of 2 Thess. 2:13, you were chosen to go to California because to get there you had to go through Texas.
See, you keep saying that "why" you were chosen is because of "how" you are saved.


2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Could "all" in this verse refer to all whose names were written in the book of life before the foundation of the world?

It couldn't mean all of humanity because we know that not all will be saved.

 

[npetreley]

Using the same interpretation that you do of 2 Thess. 2:13, you were chosen to go to California because to get there you had to go through Texas.
See, you keep saying that "why" you were chosen is because of "how" you are saved.

I used to live in California, and I live in Texas now, but I never went through Texas to get to California. Does that mean I'm not saved?

:laugh:

 

[Amy.G]

I used to live in California, and I live in Texas now, but I never went through Texas to get to California. Does that mean I'm not saved?

:laugh:

Yes.





:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Jarthur001]

I started this thread a few days ago with this post...

From ....

http://www.theopedia.com/Decrees_of_God

Quote:
The word "decree" is found in Psalm 2:7, etc. In Ephesians 3:11 we read of His "eternal purpose." In Acts 2:23 of His "determinate counsel and foreknowledge." In Ephesians 1:9 of the mystery of His "will." In Romans 8:29 that He also did predestinate. In Ephesians 1:9 of His "good pleasure." God’s decrees are called His "counsel" to signify they are consummately wise. They are called God’s "will" to show He was under no control, but acted according to His own pleasure. When a man’s will is the rule of his conduct, it is usually capricious and unreasonable; but wisdom is always associated with "will" in the Divine proceedings, and accordingly, God’s decrees are said to be "the counsel of His own will" (Eph. 1:11).

I'm really trying to understand the freewill view of Gods decrees and how they see it being God determinate counsel when they say it is based on what man does.

If we were to make a list of events in the order in which they happen, what comes 1st?

I as a Calvinist see it this way.

1) God decrees it.
2) It happens.

As I understand it, freewillers view it this way.

God decress based on what he knows will happen. Therefore the knowledge of what will happen, must exist, yet not have taken placed before the decree.

This is what I do not understand. If the decree of God comes after the knowledge of God, where is the power of the decree? In this view, it would seem to me that if the decree does not ever come from God it does not matter. For if God sees what will come about, nothing will change no matter what, or else God did not see what will come about. So if he bases His decree on what He knows will happen, why decree anything?

So I would like freewillers to give their order of events as I have showed my views above so that I can be clear on this.



THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT.

In Christ...James

Still we have not one free-willer willing to post this order of events.

This is a big whole on their side, and they will never make that order. NEVER.
When it is made, it becomes clear it does not add up.

 

[Isaiah40:28]

I started this thread a few days ago with this post...



Still we have not one free-willer willing to post this order of events.

This is a big whole on their side, and they will never make that order. NEVER.
When it is made, it becomes clear it does not add up.

Allan's order doesn't count?
Post #172 on page 18.