His determinate counsel

...THROUGH....

<double sigh>

 

Unless it doesn't fit webdog's soterology.

 

Once again you're changing the meaning of "through". In this case you're changing it to "because of our".

 

The entire of the word before means earlier in time! At what point is God fixated earlier in time? God did something earlier in time...before time was created?

 

I didn't change anything, I just typed "through". Now are we really going to argue what "through" means?
It means by way of...

If I bought a plain ticket to go to California THROUGH Texas, I cannot go to California unless I go through Texas.

 

Who said He is fixated? I suppose He can be in our out of any time He wants to. He is God. That doesn't change the fact that He chose us BEFORE the foundation of the world. Why are you arguing this? Before you argued that the elect in Ephesians 1 are the Jews............. :saint:

 

Dude! You know I love ya, but it doesn't say that!


2Th 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning FOR salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

 

How can you have sequence without time? That doesn't even make sense.

 

Yes. Or have you put Him in a box and are now saying that God can not do something unless it is in time?

 

I love you too...but yes it does

 

Ask God............

 

If anyone puts God in a box, it is calvinists. You state God has to predetermine something in order for it to happen. With our lack of understanding how God works in time, I hardly have Him in a box. He is sovereign. We have free will to accept or reject Him (a real choice, not a Henry Ford choice... "you can pick any color for the Model T as long as it's black").

 

Ask God how He is illogical

 

God, let it be known that webdog has effectively compressed you, and has neatly packaged you into his neat, nicely decorated time box. :laugh:

 

You mean like moving time backwards?

 

...and let it be known tha RB has just stated a dishonest response to nothing...

"With our lack of understanding how God works in time, I hardly have Him in a box. He is sovereign. We have free will to accept or reject Him (a real choice, not a Henry Ford choice... "you can pick any color for the Model T as long as it's black")."

What kind of box might this be?

 

Did you notice the smiley at the end of my statement web? Can we make light of this a little? Don't you ever do that?

 

What Calvinist has said we don't have a choice?

 

I noticed a :laugh: , but no smiley. That can mean anything, and still doesn't mean it is ok to state a falsehood.

 

Since this thread will about to be closed, I'm not even getting into the "non choice, choice" or the "choice between one thing and one thing".