Honest, Studied and Converted free willers?

Dale-C:

What else could you possibly mean when you say "are they truly converted?"
Dale-C:

Dale-C:

You are comparing protestant, Baptist believers to Mormons and Muslims because they believe in free will??


Dale-C:

You are saying that anyone who does not believe in the Calvinists teachings are "natural men"(unsaved).

Yes, you are questioning the salvation of anyone who believes in free will.

 

Again, read Hodge....he has a long section on Will & Calvinism. Then read Shedd, vol. 3.

 

Just curious: When you started seeing how the Bible contradicted your views, did you fight it? I didn't, at least not that I can recall.

 

We are saved by Grace "through faith" and it "our faith in God".


"Thy faith hath made thee whole" according to Jesus.

Give your honest statement Dale C, do you believe that the so called "free willers" are all lost? I mean have I been preaching, pastoring, baptizing for over 34 years as a "false prophet", and all those who have been my congregation, are they and I lost?

 

I could tell you would be confused because you reject foreknowledge. Like the passage I cited in Psa 33, God looked from eternity into future time and did #3 -- chose BELIEVERS.

No, Jesus chose His DISCIPLES, they did not choose Him. John 6:68.

Very good! David was picked for God's purpose, to be King of Israel, NOT to salvation.

Huh?? What is this --- "fractured Bible verses?? Care to offer something a little more concurrent?

skypair

 

This is a strange argument. What do you think preaching, pastoring and baptizing for 34 years earns you? Excepting yourself, don't you think it's possible for someone to do all that and still be lost? Aren't these the ones crying, "Lord, Lord, look at everything we did in your name!"

 

So only Calvinists go to heaven?:tonofbricks: :BangHead:

 

I'm not aware of anyone who is saying this, other than the free-willers.

 

Perhaps you should re-read the thread or maybe read it through the first time.By the way that was a question in the form of a statement.

 

What is strange is calling my statement strange. If a man give his whole life serving the Lord and then when he is old, some one who don't know why he is the "elect" say that this whole group are wrong because they say "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that Whosoever would believe should not perish but have eternal life. Now to say, God was really saying, "hey folks, I didn't mean that, I meant the precious few I chose myself, before all this even started." Now that is strange!

 

Question : Does God love those He hates ?

 

Bro. Bob I went to your web site,read your circular letter and listened to you sing a few songs. You have a heart for God. I know you better now and am glad for it.:godisgood:

 

There isn't anyONE He hates, [foul language edited] Are you saying you worship a god of hate?? I know who that is --- it's Satan.

skypair

God hates the foul language and name-calling that you have used. Please avoid it!!

 

Watch your language Mr. Pilot . If you think that God does not hate anyone you are denying Scripture . Don't tell me after all this time of your interaction on the BB that you have never encountered biblical passages that speak of His hatred of individuals -- not only their sin ?

God is not a God of hate . He is called by the Word a God of love . But please do not fashion him according to your own mold . His attributes are many and varied . His wrath and judgment are just as much Him as His love and mercy .

 

Not possible for Bob --- but maybe for you.

Gotta tell you, npetrely, "election" don't make it unless you are justified/saved first. "Election" is "phase 2 of salvation. Big whoop! The Pharisees tried to sanctify their lost souls with their fleshly works and it just doesn't work that way. You'll soon find that out.

skypair

 

You're taking the question too personally. I said "excepting you". I'm not talking about you. I simply find your argument strange. Our works count for nothing if they do not have their origin in God. So if the works are not from God, it is not evidence of salvation, no matter how "good" these works may sound.

That's why your argument prompted the question: Is it not possible that someone can preach, pastor, etc., for 30+ years and still be lost? I say it is. That person will be one of those crying, "Lord, Lord, lookie, lookie at all the stuff I did for you!", and that person may be lost. Or, that person may be saved, but his works will be burned up because they were not from God, but from himself.