How fat does a person have to be to be a sinner?

[donnA]

So you stand by misconceptions and lack of facts, and throw out real medical evidences?
Based on what?
Because I am sure doctors would liek to know.
You can't debate it with real true evidence so you run.

 

[Roguelet]

I'm done too. everyone knows that poor eating habits and lack of excercise = many of the health problems mentioned above and being overweight etc.
But hey what do doctors and fitness people know ?

You don't see too many fat athletes, even the football players who are big block but they don't do the running.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Originally posted by Roguelet:
But when it comes to gluttony which the bible say IS a sin then we are being judgemental ?

It's all in the attitude.

Since we can't see each other's faces to help interept our messages to each other nor can we hear each other's voices to use inflections to help us fully understand each other, then we solely have to rely on written cues.

And your written cue above, with the little face with the eyes rolling and the one not too far above with the little winking eye makes you appear flippant and definitely judgemental.

I don't know you at all and you may be entirely genteel and kind, but it's in the attitude.

Yes, gluttony is a sin. Everybody knows that.

I read the original link.

There is nothing that the author said that was not true. Yet, he had such a foul-temper and poor attitude towards obese people that he came off to me as being harsh and cruel instead of helpful.

If I had a significant weight problem as do the people to whom he is addressing in that link, I would be highly offended.

Also, the title of this thread is poorly worded.

How fat does a person have to be to be a sinner?

Well, how hateful does a person have to be to be a sinner?

How stupid does a person have to be to be a sinner?

How self-righteous does a person have to be to be a sinner?

The implication of this title is that you can be of a certain weight and not be offensive to God, but once you cross that "line", you are grotesque and offensive to God, you fellow Christians, and have no more value in God's sight.

We, on this board, should be able to discuss anything with each other without hurting people's feelings.

I'll be back in a moment with a snippet from the original link that is an example of what I am talking about.

Peace-
Scarlett O.
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[Roguelet]

Your thinking I am being judgemental is in itself being judgemental. Don't you see how silly what you just said sounded ?

 

[Scarlett O.]

Originally posted by tinytim:
Here is an interesting piece on gluttony:
http://www.preservedwords.com/excess.htm

What saith ye?

What saith I?

The author of this article is very, very rude.

While he is quite correct in what he has to say, he makes his point by ripping people to shreds, calling them names (lazy slobs and crapulent and big-gutted), and mocking their disabilites.

I have a sweet friend at church who is significantly overweight. She works hard in the church, she also works hard a her job, and she goes above and beyond for other people. Everyone admires her dedication to the church and the community.

And she has an eating disorder.

I have prayed for her many times over. I have even listened as she talked to me in tears and in private over her fight with this problem.

And I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER talk to her the way that this man talked to overweight people in his article.

Yes, there is a call for sterness about sin. All sin, including gluttony.

But this man, this author of this article is self-righteous, hateful, and just plain mean-spirited.

Here are some examples...Just think as you are reading....would Jesus talk to overweight people like this?

The author says:

"I saw a video on the news of Jerry Falwell getting released from the hospital recently. He looked like a hippopotamus sitting in that wheelchair. He was admitted because of "breathing problems". No wonder. It takes a lot of lung power to simple move that blubbery chest up and down."

"We used to know a preacher whose whole family was overweight. Several years ago I was building a deck on our house and my wife asked me why I was using such heavy boards on the top of the deck. I told her, 'In case preacher [so-and-so] and his family come over'. She thought for a second and agreed. Don't laugh. the combined weight of that family would be as much as a full grown horse. I feel sorry for that mini-van that they rode around in. I'm sure that when they went to an all-you-can-eat restaurant that the manager cringed."

"Some of you crapulent guys would like to wring my neck right now if you could, wouldn't you? So much for your grace and godliness. Unless you can find a way to sit on me, I don't think I'm in much danger."

Obesity is a problem in this country and so is the sin of gluttony.

I just don't believe that this is the way that Christians should approach a person with a gluttony problem.

This article was crude, angry, and just made me sick to read it.


Peace-
Scarlett O.
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[tinytim]

Scarlett O, I agree with you, I too was offended when I read the link, that is why I posted it. This guy calls himself a fundamental baptist. After reading the link, go to his home page and read some other "fine" works of his.
I was curious how many agree with him.
I am sorry if I have offended anyone by posting this link. I too am overweight, and hate to be called names.

 

[Roguelet]

I too agree he came off wrong and I had a hard time reading all of his letter which i didn't. I do agree a lot of people in America are overweight due to wrong eating habits and lack of excercise.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by gb93433:
It doesn't take a doctor to prove that if your calorie input exceeds your output you must lose weight. Nobody can gain weight with zero caloric intake.

It's not quite that simple. Simple carbohydrates will get converted to fat and stored. Complex carbohydrates are much more difficult to store. You can eat less than your daily caloric requirements, and have extra fat. Your body may save the fat, and take nutrients from your muscles and bones.

You're also forgetting malnutrition. A fair number of obese persons are malnourished. How is that possible? Because calories alone does not equate to the needed amounts of vitamins, protien, etc. There is also a fair number of muscular and thin people who are malnourished for the same reason. Many people don't know how to eat balanced foods, thy just think "total calories". Bad idea.

 

[Brother James]

I struggled with my weight for many years. At about 35 my gall bladder got dieseased so badly it caused a terrible infection in my liver. They had to gut me like a deer. I'm just short of 5'11 and weighed about 235 lbs. When I recovered I said I get into shape so I took up cycling. I was cycling around 3000 miles a year and lost down to 170. I'm 46 now and took up weight training around 6 years ago to go with cycling. My weight is about 190 now but I bench 275. I know whats it's like to struggle to keep it off and my sympathy goes out to all who have to fight it.

 

[Johnv]

You put me to shame.

Johnv - 190lbs and bench presser of 80lbs

 

[Brother James]

Originally posted by Johnv:
You put me to shame.

Johnv - 190lbs and bench presser of 80lbs

You should get Arnold to help you out brother!

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Brother James:
You should get Arnold to help you out brother!

Interestingly, one of the Governator's goals is the elimination of obesity in the public school system. He's ordered the removal of all junk food items from vending machines.

Not surprisingly, the teacher's unions are fighting this. It turns out that they get a kickback (oops, I meant "license fee") from the junk food vendors.

 

[Brother James]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brother James:
You should get Arnold to help you out brother!

Interestingly, one of the Governator's goals is the elimination of obesity in the public school system. He's ordered the removal of all junk food items from vending machines.

Not surprisingly, the teacher's unions are fighting this. It turns out that they get a kickback (oops, I meant "license fee") from the junk food vendors. </font>[/QUOTE]I think Arnold is on to something there. Being the governer of California is probably one hardest jobs in the world.

 

[Johnv]

There's an abundance of big labor union interest. He's decided to take them on head first.

 

[bapmom]

Actually now, it wouldn't be being fat that is a sin at all.....thats just the possible result of the actual sin.

Isn't gluttony the sin? Being so involved in food that it becomes the thing we indulge in constantly for comfort, for distraction?

Does this make sense?

 

[Songbird]

Gluttony is the sin b/c it takes the focus off of God and onto food. I have also seen some skinny gluttons as well.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Actually, I would drop 8-10 lbs every time I played a hockey game. I played until I was 32, then had to stop. When I started mountain biking competitively, I weighed 180 lbs. I gained 20 pounds my first summer, all in my legs.

I never really lifted weights, because it would inhibit my wrist, making it difficult for me to play guitar. I have always been athletic, even in my most drugged years. I have been blessed with a good exercise ethic, I guess.

Bapmom, I agree with your post.

 

[Mike McK]

A lot of you guys know that I was in a bad car crash back in the spring. ((By the way, this is the second serious accident I've been in in my life.))

Because I couldn't move for three months, other than just to walk short distances, I put on eighty pounds. (that's why so many of you commented that you saw me online so often...that was about all I could do for recreation) And this is after a lifetime of being pretty atheletic and in great shape.

There are times when I might have been twenty pounds or so overweight, but because of my large frame, you never would guess.

Now, I'm freakin' huge.

It's only been in the last month, month and a half that I've really gotten my life back and I've got to tell you, it's a heck of a lot harder to take it off than it is to put it on.

I promise, I will never judge a fat person again.

 

[Johnv]

You're not fat, your just a bit short for your weight.

 

[Mike McK]

I'd have to be nine feet tall.

On the other hand, I'm only fourty pounds on the moon.