Because he understands the verse....God has decreed, destined, and purposed, that none of the persons spoken of here will perish, not one.
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How Free Will Destroys Faith in Christ;
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No no we do not add words to scripture. That is never ok
Paul was saved the moment He called Christ Lord, and asked what He would have him to do. He had then surrendered to Christ. Of course you don't see that because you don't understand it.
MB
That's your imagination working over time. Scripture doesn't support your theory.
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1689Dave
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“Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.” Acts 9:13–16 (KJV 1900)
he was not adding to scripture, just giving the understanding of the chapter which you resist.
Why do I say that? let's look once again;
2 Peter 3 King James Version (KJV)
Who is Peter writing to? Who is he addressing?
3 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
Who is he warning them about? Scoffers, unbelievers..
They will be judged,and yet he contrasts the beloved, the elect;
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
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This scripture still does not support your claim. I do not disagree that Paul was chosen but so are most Jews. People forget that Paul was already a believer in God and on the road to Damascus. He met Christ there and The way Paul met Christ certainly let him know right away that what he was doing was wrong and He changed his own will in that moment. Paul was not force-ably saved against his will. Your imagination would really have to work hard to even think so.
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George Antonios
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"How Free Will Destroys Faith in Christ"
A self-defeating statement if I ever saw one.
The rational for it is exactly that: a rational, not scriptures.
A self-defeating statement if I ever saw one.
The rational for it is exactly that: a rational, not scriptures.
You are guessing.
Particular
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You have no clue what God was doing as he dragged you to himself?
Do you think God is essentially on vacation and just leaves his creation to figure it out on their own?
Particular
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Is it okay to interpret what those English words are saying or must we blindly take an English translation at face value?
Particular
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Particular
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To whom was John writing? Was he telling this to pagans or to people who were already believers?
Will those whom the Father has not given him believe? If so, show me where a person God had not chosen came to faith.
Saul...he was seeking the Lord by murdering Christians
he had made a decision to kill every Christian he could get his hands on.....that was his "will" wanted to do.
Sir, he didn't drag me anywhere til I came to Him of my own free will. Of all the people on earth, only I know how I felt during those times. Only I know what actually motivated me to come to Jesus. Sorry, but no one else can tell me how I felt or what I believed.
1689Dave
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1689Dave
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Scripture says they were a church.
But, but...as Calvinists claim: "This reason you believe is because you already believed."
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