How many sins to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop?

[Brother Bob]

In answer to the OP. How many sins does it take to end up in hell? Just one.

You go girl...........

 

[BrianReimer]

I would still love for an ME'r to answer my question. Who's righteousness will get you into the kingdom?

I have yet to get a response.

Hi Amy, if the righteousness of Jesus imputed to us is the only criterion at the JSOC then why will some receive more rewards than others?

 

[Brother Bob]

Hi Amy, if the righteousness of Jesus imputed to us is the only criterion at the JSOC then why will some receive more rewards than others?

I thought we all got a "penny"?

 

[Amy.G]

Hi Amy, if the righteousness of Jesus imputed to us is the only criterion at the JSOC then why will some receive more rewards than others?

Because some did more good works than others. But, good works won't save you. The punishment for sin was layed on Christ. I think God is very gracious that He rewards us at all.


Isa 53:5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being {fell} upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.

 

[BrianReimer]

Because some did more good works than others.

Interesting.

But, good works won't save you.

When did we say they would. We desire that we should be rewarded with rulership in the 1000 year reign of Jesus. Remember we are at the JSOC because of what Jesus did for us.

The punishment for sin was layed on Christ. I think God is very gracious that He rewards us at all.

Amen, Amy.

In answer to the OP. How many sins does it take to end up in hell? Just one.

It is the sins we haven't put under the blood, Amy. Unrepentant sin. Jesus is now our High Priest, when we go to Him in repentenance for our sins He is faithful to blot them out. But the operative word is submitting these sins to Him in repentance. How offensive it is to consider we wouldn't avail ourselves such a High Priest and continue in sin when you consider the high price He paid for it. God bless you, Amy.

 

[blackbird]

I couldn't agree more. However, I've seen at least one ME guy point to that verse as meaning that we have to work even harder than the Pharisees.

Imagine that??? Constantly scurring and scrambling around trying to equate their work to the finished work of the Lord Jesus---getting robbed of the Lord's Rest---because man's work does not equal God's rest. In my way of thinking---the Lord Jesus Christ does the "work" for the Kingdom---and by grace He gives me the "rest" of the Kingdom

 

[Amy.G]

When did we say they would. We desire that we should be rewarded with rulership in the 1000 year reign of Jesus. Remember we are at the JSOC because of what Jesus did for us.

But, that's only half your twisted teaching. You also say that if you don't get in the kingdom, you will spend the 1000 years in hell. You are trying to take the punishment for your sin when Christ already did that.

It is the sins we haven't put under the blood, Amy. Unrepentant sin. Jesus is now our High Priest, when we go to Him in repentenance for our sins He is faithful to blot them out. But the operative word is submitting these sins to Him in repentance. How offensive it is to consider we wouldn't avail ourselves such a High Priest and continue in sin when you consider the high price He paid for it. God bless you, Amy

There are no sins that aren't under the blood for a believer. And you don't put your sins under the blood. Christ puts His blood over your sins.
Your sins after salvation are still atoned for, but they break your relationship with God. Christ is continually pleading for us to the Father. What you are suggesting is that if we don't repent, we've lost our salvation. But I say that a born again believer has the conviction of the Holy Spirit and will confess his sin to God, because he hates his sin and hates the broken fellowship with his Savior.

 

[BrianReimer]

But, that's only half your twisted teaching. You also say that if you don't get in the kingdom, you will spend the 1000 years in hell. You are trying to take the punishment for your sin when Christ already did that.


There are no sins that aren't under the blood for a believer. And you don't put your sins under the blood. Christ puts His blood over your sins.
Your sins after salvation are still atoned for, but they break your relationship with God. Christ is continually pleading for us to the Father. What you are suggesting is that if we don't repent, we've lost our salvation. But I say that a born again believer has the conviction of the Holy Spirit and will confess his sin to God, because he hates his sin and hates the broken fellowship with his Savior.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[J. Jump]

Your sins after salvation are still atoned for, but they break your relationship with God.

Amy that's just impossible. What you are saying with this statement is that God's forgiveness is not good enough and that while He has already dealt with all your sin His dealing was imperfect so that when this future sin comes into reality it breaks your fellowship.

That's simply impossible. Either the sin is forgiven and it's a perfect cleansing or the sin is not forgiven.

 

[Brother Bob]

If the sin was already forgiven then why do we need an advocate with God. When it says "tho your sins be as scarlet, they shall be made white as snow", its talking about the sins you have done, not going to do.
I just do not believe as you folks do, that when you are forgiven, then you can commit all the sins you want and the most grievous of sins and it does not matter for they all ready paid for. Well, the blood may have been shed, but if you sin, you have to repent and have the advocate plead your case before God for you. Whoop da do, I can sin my life away now, I got the blood. (foolishness). I can see the devil teaching people "you shall surely not die" but I can't see the church teaching that.

 

[npetreley]

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Heb 10:39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who BELIEVE to the saving of the soul.

Change "believe" to "have lots of good works" and you'll be closer to proving your heresy.

 

[J. Jump]

I can see the devil teaching people "you shall surely not die" but I can't see the church teaching that.

This is being taught on this board every day and if you don't think the church isn't preaching it I would encourage you to travel a bit . Or I should really say :tear: :tear: :tear:

This is EXACTLY the message the church and Christians are spreading these days!

 

[BrianReimer]

Heb 10:39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who BELIEVE to the saving of the soul.

Change "believe" to "have lots of good works" and you'll be closer to proving your heresy.

Sorry, you are going to have to do better than that. What you are saying is this chapter among the multitude of other warnings in scripture are unnecessary. I mean really, why not just eliminate 9 tenths of the bible, with that kind of logic? **Insult deleted**

 

[Hope of Glory]

If the sin was already forgiven then why do we need an advocate with God. When it says "tho your sins be as scarlet, they shall be made white as snow", its talking about the sins you have done, not going to do.
I just do not believe as you folks do, that when you are forgiven, then you can commit all the sins you want and the most grievous of sins and it does not matter for they all ready paid for. Well, the blood may have been shed, but if you sin, you have to repent and have the advocate plead your case before God for you. Whoop da do, I can sin my life away now, I got the blood. (foolishness). I can see the devil teaching people "you shall surely not die" but I can't see the church teaching that.

Well, whattaya know, Bob! We have a point of very strong agreement! (It was bound to happen.)

 

[Brother Bob]

I can't believe it! But I doubt if we believe the same on whether they were saved to start with or not. I don't believe anyone has ever been saved period, if they continue on in greivous sins.

 

[BrianReimer]

Sorry, you are going to have to do better than that. What you are saying is this chapter among the multitude of other warnings in scripture are unnecessary. I mean really, why not just eliminate 9 tenths of the bible, with that kind of logic? **Insult deleted**

blackbird, I'm sorry I offended you. However, the statement was correct. I am searching for the post in which he stated that...'he is not a fan of James (the book)...', further questioning if it should even be included in the canon of scripture. In fact another concurred with him. That is a fact which can be verified by others. Unfortunately, when you delete what I said it leads others to believe I actually said something offensive and that is regrettable as it(insult deleted) besmirches my reputation. It was a statement of fact that is highly relevant when debating scripture.

Edit Add:

I'm not a fan of the book of James. I don't believe, like Martin Luther did when he was younger, that James shouldn't be part of the Bible. But it seems like a conglomeration of sayings badly compiled. Maybe, like Luther, I'll appreciate it more with age and wisdom.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1058005&postcount=169

Ok I stand corrected on part, it was two others that questioned that it should be canon. But the statement above stands.

 

[Amy.G]

This is being taught on this board every day and if you don't think the church isn't preaching it I would encourage you to travel a bit . Or I should really say :tear: :tear: :tear:

This is EXACTLY the message the church and Christians are spreading these days!

There is not one person on this board that teaches that salvation is a license to sin. You will have to prove that one.

The born again Christian WILL confess his sin and repent, because he has been reborn and has the Spirit of God in him. For someone to say "oh boy, I'm saved so I can go do anything I want" is foolishness because the one born of the Spirit doesn't see sin that way. Anyone who would say such a foolish thing is not saved. So that is just a moot point.

 

[J. Jump]

There is not one person on this board that teaches that salvation is a license to sin. You will have to prove that one.

Well if you will go back and re-read what Bro. Bob said that wasn't what he said. And that wasn't what I was talking about either.

However since you brought it up . . . I know you wouldn't do it directly, but that is the logical conclusion of your theology. Every sin has been taken care of already and there is no penalty to pay so there is no danger for the believer to do whatever it is that they please. The only thing you all have said is that their slice of the paradise pie is going to be a little smaller than everyone else's, so that's hardly reason to stop serving self now.

Or you just accuse them of not being saved in the first place.

The born again Christian WILL confess his sin and repent

Well that's a nice statement of opinion, but neither you nor anyone else on this board has ever been able to come up with any Scripture to back it up.

Confession of sin and repentance is a command. People don't automatically follow commands or there would never be a need to issue one.

Do you command your children to blink or breath? Of course not because that is a given. There's just no Scriptural support for the claim. If you have some then by all means let's see it.

Anyone who would say such a foolish thing is not saved.

Again this is a statement that is not based on a Scriptural foundation. If you've got some let's see it.

 

[Amy.G]

Well if you will go back and re-read what Bro. Bob said that wasn't what he said. And that wasn't what I was talking about either.

However since you brought it up . . . I know you wouldn't do it directly, but that is the logical conclusion of your theology. Every sin has been taken care of already and there is no penalty to pay so there is no danger for the believer to do whatever it is that they please. The only thing you all have said is that their slice of the paradise pie is going to be a little smaller than everyone else's, so that's hardly reason to stop serving self now.

Or you just accuse them of not being saved in the first place.


Well that's a nice statement of opinion, but neither you nor anyone else on this board has ever been able to come up with any Scripture to back it up.

Confession of sin and repentance is a command. People don't automatically follow commands or there would never be a need to issue one.

Do you command your children to blink or breath? Of course not because that is a given. There's just no Scriptural support for the claim. If you have some then by all means let's see it.


Again this is a statement that is not based on a Scriptural foundation. If you've got some let's see it.

How many times do you need scripture posted for you to believe that Christ already took the penalty for your sins????

I would like to hear your personal testimony. Was there any change in your life?

I would still like an answer to my repeated question....

By WHOSE righteousness will you enter the kingdom?

It's not a hard question unless you already know you're wrong and are refusing to admit it.

 

[npetreley]

Well that's a nice statement of opinion, but neither you nor anyone else on this board has ever been able to come up with any Scripture to back it up.

Romans 1 through 6 lays it all out, although you should really read through 11 to get the whole message. Of course, you need to consider more than a verse at a time to get the message. I can see how, by building a doctrine around the logical fallacy of fixating on the etymology of a single word, you may not have the attention span for more than a few words or even a verse at a time. But if you need a single verse, I recommend a verse like:

17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

Moreover, the passages that speak of the fruits of the Spirit are not contradicted by other passages. Contrast that to your favorite ME verses and passages. You folks hang your doctrines on verses like the one in James about being justified by works, but you never deal with the fact that the REST of the Bible contradicts your interpretation of that SINGLE verse. I don't expect you to see that, however. Something about God and a strong delusion applies here.