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How should christians treat the saved homosexual?

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annsni

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How funny, I talked to my son and brought up this discussion on here and he thought how sad and ignorant Ann is after my reading to him most of the discussion about his soul.

He assured me that he is saved and knows God and trust him for his life. Well, at least both my boys are saved...so I must have done something right...hmmm, I wonder what?

Maybe they are saved despite what you have done as well. ;)

BTW, he also said it is because of judgmental Christian like that is why CHURCH isn't appealing to him, but he still loves God...it is CHURCH and many of the mean spirited people in it is just one of the reasons, he isn't inlvoved. he traveled many countries that don;t have CHRISTIAN churches in them in the last 7 years...Italy, Korea, Arab country Qatar...etc.

Hmm - that's interesting because I personally know of churches in each of those countries. How do you say that there are no Christian churches in these countries? I can give you the names of pastors in each if you'd like to call them.

He's only 26 (27 soon0 God isn't done with him yet...so stop judging...I know he is just fine just the way he is now.

Wait - God isn't done with him yet but he's just fine the way he is now? So what does God still have to do?
 

Yeshua1

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World English Dictionary defines "homosexual" as follows: 1. n a person who is sexually attracted to members of the same sex

Given the definition of the word 'homosexual', there can be no such thing as a "saved homosexual" The two terms, "saved" and "homosexual" are in opposition to one another.

Jesus said that if a man looks on a woman to lust after her he has already committed adultery in his heart.

It works the same way with the abominable homosexual, he is drawn sexually to another man, so in his heart he has already committed the very sin of homosexuality.

God says in Revelation that those who work abominations will have their part in the lake of fire.

To say one can be saved and a homosexual at the same time it to call God a liar.

NO! God says that one who practices that type of sin, who habitual lifestyle is to keep on doing it without any regard, that person will not inherit the Kingdom, not get saved, but MANY homosexuals have been redeemed thru bllod of christ!

many still have physical attractions, have to deal with it daily, but so do many with drinking problems, adultry, lying etc!
 

Zaac

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World English Dictionary defines "homosexual" as follows: 1. n a person who is sexually attracted to members of the same sex

Given the definition of the word 'homosexual', there can be no such thing as a "saved homosexual" The two terms, "saved" and "homosexual" are in opposition to one another.

That's a bad conclusion based upon a bad definition. Just like with heterosexuals, folks identify as homosexuals based upon more than just sexual attraction. There are many layers on that onion of attraction.

Jesus said that if a man looks on a woman to lust after her he has already committed adultery in his heart.

It works the same way with the abominable homosexual, he is drawn sexually to another man, so in his heart he has already committed the very sin of homosexuality.

That's talking about LUST. Folks can be attracted to aspects o another person without lusting. I mentioned to a group having a discussion of this issue that when we're growing up, boys are attracted to boys and girls are attracted to girls. The boys think the girls are icky and the girls think the boys are gross.

People are attracted to the things in other people that they feel like they have in common. Attraction doesn't have to have anything to do with physical sexuality.

I'm attracted to a good personality and attitude. If you've got a funky personality and attitude, I'm probably not gonna be best friends with ya.

God says in Revelation that those who work abominations will have their part in the lake of fire.

To say one can be saved and a homosexual at the same time it to call God a liar.

If you can be saved and identify as a heterosexual you can no doubt be saved and be a homosexual.

It is unforgiven sin that will have people in the lake of fire.
 

Alive in Christ

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This was posted, regarding practicing homosexuality....


God says in Revelation that those who work abominations will have their part in the lake of fire.

Not if they are saved.

Saved people go to heaven. LOST people go to hell.

The Gosple of Jesus Christ is NOT...

Those who have no sin go to heaven. If that were the gosple then NOBODY goes to heaven.

The gosple is...

"For it is by GRACE that you are saved, through FAITH, and that NOT of youre self, it is the gift of God, NOT of works, lest anyone should boast.


When a saved person goes to heaven, with a less than stellar record regarding lifestyle and sancification, they lose REWARDS...not thier SALVATION.


There are indeed carnal christians
 
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Revmitchell

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This was posted, regarding practicing homosexuality....




Not if they are saved.

Saved people go to heaven. LOST people go to hell.

The Gosple of Jesus Christ is NOT...

Those who have no sin go to heaven. If that were the gosple then NOBODY goes to heaven.

The gosple is...

"For it is by GRACE that you are saved, through FAITH, and that NOT of youre self, it is the gift of God, NOT of works, lest anyone should boast.


When a saved person goes to heaven, with a less than stellar record regarding lifestyle and sancification, They lose REWARDS...not thier SALVATION.

Struggling with sin and making a regular and open practice of sin are two different things. The latter are not saved.
 

Matt22:37-39

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The problem is not so much legalism as it is liberalism.

God's Word reveals that one cannot be saved and be a homosexual at the same time. To hold onto that truth and teach it is not legalism at all... it is truth.


Being a homosexual (lesbian or gay) doesn't mean you are having sex...it means you are ATTRACTED to the same sex....have feelings isn't wrong it is acting on them.

So I guess the Hermerphidate who was BORN with both reproduction organs is wrong too and the transgender...one who was born feeling like they are in the wrong body is wrong too?...many of these people have felt they were in the wrong body as long as they could remember like 2...we live in a FALLEN WORLD stuff happens....same with homosexuality, NO ONE knows why for there are many reasons...including being born that way...studies have found that most have a MELONCHOLY TEMERAMENT....look that up...so they are born with tendancies...just like you were born with a tendancy to be mean!

I find it amazing how many judgemetal Christian there are soley because of IGNORANCE....BTW, I know saved homosexuals...their feeling for the same sex never changed they just choose to remain celibate.
 

Matt22:37-39

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Matt22:37-30,

OldTimer asked earlier why you are posting other people's work and not giving them the credit. Your last post was about struggling Christians, and it was taken from another site.

You are aware that what you are doing is plagiarism when you don't give the proper credit where credit is due, don't you?

Plagiarism is theft. Post the credits with the work or don't post the work at all.

Nice try guess you didn't see www.gotquestions.org I ALWAYS post others work!....been doing this too long not to.

Give up guys you will lose every time...lol
 

annsni

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Struggling with sin and making a regular and open practice of sin are two different things. The latter are not saved.

This is huge. We all sin. Goodness knows we do it even when we don't want to. I do not love my sin - I know that ALL of it sent Christ to the cross. It breaks my heart when I do it.

But then there are others that not only embrace their sin, they want others to embrace it and validate it as well. I'm sorry but I will never go there. :(
 

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Matt22:37-39

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Are they accurate because they agree with you?

Your choice of wording, especially when you write things like "just as ignorant as many on here--no surprise", is revealing about how you view yourself.

They are accurate because they have a solid foundation!

problem is most people do not get is that God is a BALANCED GOD...He is Holy, Righteous and Just....yet at the same time Loving, Merciful and Kind...so is His word and so shall we be.

Any time one goes to extremes with God's word he will be in ERROR. God cannot contradict His own nature so all things need to weighed against WHO HE IS.

I was very blessed and fortunate to be placed into a SOUND BALANCED church after I got saved...I spent a few months in Woodstock NY (where I got saved) and went to a Pentecost church and KNEW most of what they taught was WRONG...the Spirit IN me told me so. So once I came back to Ca...I was sent to (through a friend) to a Fundamental Independent Baptist Church...(glad I came when he got the word right)....the pastor use to be KJ only, DRESSES ONLY, Bob Jones, type church, very legalistic till he learned the BIBLE DOESN'T teach much of what he thought it did....so he RIGHTLY DIVIDED God's word and taught balance and truth and love!...he would go through the book of Romans and Rev for like 4 to 5 years....dissecting it inductively...he majored 6 years hermeneutics and Greek...he was so awesome over 70 pastors came to his funeral and he never had a church split of 38 years nor were there hardly any problems in the church because of sound doctrine and they lived what they preached...even having me as a pregnant single mom in there home.

When I got married my husband also believed all the same things I did and he went to a Swedish Baptist church and learned the same things...

Point being over 20 years later I come upon www.gotquestions.org like 4 years ago and when ever I look ANYTHING UP it always agrees with what I had juts said on a forum....so I must be on the right track baby...:)
 

Matt22:37-39

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NO! God says that one who practices that type of sin, who habitual lifestyle is to keep on doing it without any regard, that person will not inherit the Kingdom, not get saved, but MANY homosexuals have been redeemed thru bllod of christ!

many still have physical attractions, have to deal with it daily, but so do many with drinking problems, adultry, lying etc!

That is right sin is sin in God's eyes...some people on here need to learn sound doctrine...and quit living in unwarranted fear.
 

Matt22:37-39

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This is huge. We all sin. Goodness knows we do it even when we don't want to. I do not love my sin - I know that ALL of it sent Christ to the cross. It breaks my heart when I do it.

But then there are others that not only embrace their sin, they want others to embrace it and validate it as well. I'm sorry but I will never go there. :(

again you keep proving that your comprehension skills are off....I clearly said in the below that it is our job to BRING this type of person to God the way God would want us to and that isn't by judging and condemning them but through love like we would anyone else (or some of us anyway would) I also said once they are saved they may still struggle with sin and like any other saved person we need to help them DRAW CLOSER to God so He can fix them not us...even if they are practicing their sin it is our job to minister to them.


Here maybe you should read it again

HOW SHOULD CHRISTIANS TREAT THE SAVED HOMOSEXUAL?
This has been an ongoing discussion on a "Christian" forum so my response was this...

Many on here feel a homosexual can NOT be saved if they still have sex with the same sex...not sure why a heterosexual gets away with having sex outside of marriage and committing adultery etc. but the homosexual doesn't...so this is what I have to say to those who don't get it.

The problem I think many are having is they are LOOKING at the outward rather than the inward..."Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart"...1 Sam 16:7....We live in a FALLEN WORLD do you agree?

And since we live in a fallen world stuff happens...people are born with all kind of physical and mental ailments....some are born with NO attraction to anyone (the act of sex comes after attraction) some people are born with both sexes, some are born legitimately feeling from a very early age like 2 that they were born in the wrong body, some are born attracted to the same sex...never once having an attraction to the opposite sex...and some are attracted to both sexes...and for most this is a TRUTH that is with them for life.

Now when a person gets saved no matter WHO they are, they will always have SOME SIN they have to deal with, that is just part of our sinful human nature that Paul says in Romans 7 that we struggle with...my sins/s and struggles may not be the same as yours or others, but never the less they are NO DIFFERENT IN GOD'S EYES...for to Him all sin is wrong and is why the SINLESS JESUS became SIN for us. 2 Cor 5:21

Now think about it...lets take any of our sins and compare them to the homosexual...now how many times are we FORGIVEN when we KEEP screwing up in our sin nature and hurt God? ALL THE TIME, Matt 18:22....cause the bibles says "all our sins are forgiven past, present and future...they were nailed on the cross" Romans 8:1-2 and more. We sin more often than we want to admit, let's not forget sins of OMISSION...so why are the Homosexual Christians EXCLUDED from having the same problem?...and no I am not condoning their sin or lifestyle, but what we need to understand is what the bible is talking about....we need to separate the NON Christians from the saved Christians and even go further to separate the MATURE Christian from the WEAK one. Romans 14....Look at it as a SCALE from 0.................100....we will put SATAN on the 0 end...and GOD at the 100 end.

0 being a NON BELIEVER HOMOSEXUAL....this person is condemned no matter what he does good or bad.

50 the middle would be the BELIEVER a saved person, could be a homosexual (meaning someone who only is attracted to the same sex)...not of his works but Christ work on the cross.

100 Being a homosexual Christian who is "sold out" for God and his walk is so close to God that he ONLY desires God's will and not his own....that in all he does he desires to love and honor and obey God...so he CHOOSES to not have sex with the same sex, much less sex outside of marriage at all!...for their husband and all is God.

This is God''s desire for ALL who know Him...no matter what sin we struggle with....to be on the 100 side of the scale.

So you will have homosexuals at all ends of the scale all depending on their WALK WITH GOD! and it isn't for me to say what that walk is, and whether they are saved or not, as we all have a RACE to run that is different than everyone else s. My race is not your race nor yours mine or ours others.

My job and your job is to HELP THAT HOMOSEXUAL no matter which side of the scale they are on to DRAW CLOSER TO GOD through love, accountability (within the church only) acceptance, respect, prayer, guidance etc...so His desires become theirs...this we should do for everyone no matter what sin they struggle with....that is what He wants for all us sinners.

Hope that helps...♥
 

Matt22:37-39

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I especially liked this

When I say these are legalistic, I am not talking about those who believe every word of scripture and apply them in such a way that can be supported in the light of all of scripture. The Christian legalists I am talking about are those who take certain passages of scripture to imply the Bible says something that really cannot be supported in its full light. I am talking about those who try to conform to the letter without having the Holy Spirit so that they are unable to apply the scriptures with any wisdom or understanding. They are like some modern lawyers of our day who often twist the truth on purpose to achieve their desired outcome of deception.

These legalists are a cancer in Christianity


These wolves in sheep's clothing are the rule in a few denominations and a cancer in others. They have doctrines that only confuse people or lead people to hell. The Church and Judaism have always had them. Jesus called these Scribe and Pharisee types, vipers and sons of their father the Devil. If we go back to early Christianity, Paul speaks expressly against those who want to keep everyone under the law. The law was given to show that we are imperfect and condemned to be separated from God unless God Himself did something to bridge that gap. That is why both Jews and Gentiles must come to God by the "Law of Faith". Our example in scripture is Abraham.


The Law of Faith is belief that only God is righteous and merciful and that only He can provide the way of salvation for mankind. This plan of salvation from God was actually carried out when God the Son (Jesus) paid the requirements of the law for all on the cross. These who by faith believe God and accept the sacrifice He provided for mankind's sins will be saved. You see, God is interested in saving people who truly trust in Him. God is not interested in having people in His presence who think they got there by their own righteousness through following the letter of the law or by rituals of obedience.
 

Zaac

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Struggling with sin and making a regular and open practice of sin are two different things. The latter are not saved.

So all those Baptist who overindulge in food every Sunday after Church are not saved?

What about the Christians with strongholds in their lives? are they unsaved too?

This sounds like man's subjective attempt to decide who is saved and who isn't?

What constitutes practicing of sin? The parable of the unforgiving servant says


21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

Jesus didn't correct him and say "he is not your brother" but rather confirmed that he was his brother by telling him to forgive him 70 x 7.

Is 70 x 7 offenses against your brother considered practice?
 

Zaac

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That is right sin is sin in God's eyes...some people on here need to learn sound doctrine...and quit living in unwarranted fear.

I don't understand why we continue to try to make the homosexual into the boogie man.

Stand up and yell against gay marriage and homosexuality lest they fornicate in a neighborhood near you.

Straight foolishness.

If we were approaching these same people in love and sharing the Good News of Jesus Christ, perhaps the Gospel would address their untruth.

But it's obvious that a lot in the church want to brand homosexuals with a scarlet letter.
 

Matt22:37-39

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I WROTE THIS LAST WEEK AND PUT IT ON MY FB WALL....THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE RELEVANT HERE. ESPECIALLY FOR RD

THE IMPORTANCE OF BALANCE IN ONES LIFE:

I HAVE A THING FOR THIS SHOW ON TV CALLED “WIFE SWAP”….I use to have my son Aaron watch it with me, to say “see I’m not that bad, you don’t understand you could have an EXTREME mom like that”…If he hasn’t already, he’ll get it one day when he has kids. I do not know if these people are for real, because they are so “out there extreme”….but I do know people in my own life, especially living up here that are EXTREME. This just got me thinking today, on where most of my frustrations lie within the “CHURCH” and with people in general….too many people walking around are too extreme and I really don’t think that is the way God intended us to be or how we should live. As much as I try not to be, I am TURNED OFF to any kind of extremes and those who know me well say "I WANT THINGS TO BE FAIR"…”I quickly see right from wrong”…..to me it is all about BALANCE!...God is balanced…He is Holy, Righteous and Just, yet He is also Loving, Merciful and Kind. His word is the same and so shall we be….Anyway….

Let’s look at what extremes have cost us in the 3 institutions God has established.

EXTREME PARENTING…..Boy can that mess a person up. After watching a very unbelievable, extreme episode on WIFE SWAP today, I thank God I didn’t do that to my boys and is one reason I wanted Aaron to watch this show with me years back, as he kept comparing me to his permissive father and his friends permissive parents…yet I knew deep down my parenting style was what was best for them and I think they both can now say I did a good job, cause they are the RESULTS of applying both LOVE and DISCIPLINE into their lives.

A Balanced/Authoritative parent (hopefully both are and in agreement, I didn’t have that privilege) knows how to balance love, affection, nurturing, respect, and overall tries and see the child through their eyes….LOVE at the same time motivates a parent to do what is best for that child in the LONG RUN…KNOWING by doing so, that child can be all God wants Him to be. The parent/s teaches Discipline, Ethics, Morals, Boundaries, and Pride in a job well done; to be Others Centered…this is the best parenting style that often reaps the best results.

Authoritarian/Aggressive, parenting, doesn’t think of the emotional or physical needs of the child, in fact they may not think of the child at all (those are the kind I had) because emotionally they themselves are NOT able to give it. They often are angry all the time; nothing is ever good enough and very abusive. Everything is about APPEARANCES…therefore there is a facade that must be maintained to keep certain forces real or imaginary out, all the while hurting those around them. Or they may be so goal oriented that the END JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Anyway, while this type of parent has a much better chance of raising a pretty good person like ME, (probably as long their child is prone to perfection or is drive) but for most it can be devastating and lead to more abusive behavior.

Permissive/Passive, these parents anything goes…often times because these parents have NO DRIVE themselves that is the same way they parent…to them it takes too much work to do the right thing. Or they never grew up themselves and sill wants to have just fun. This parent leaves kids not prepared for the real world, nor do they teach them self respect and respect of others, as they often have ENTITLEMENT ISSUES and are narcissistic. Anyway, I could write a lot about my thoughts on this subject, but let’s look at a few other areas where extremism has its effects.

EXTREME RELIGION….One of the biggest things that turn me off about most churches is they too are extreme, probably because extreme people are in them and run them, so like attracts like. You’ve got the legalistic (extreme) churches that focus on Old Testament law, everything to them is sin, they do not see how their legalistic ways DO NOT draw others to Christ, they actually repeal them…not only they often become ABUSIVE, without even realizing it…they do not understand GRACE and God’s true CHARACTER of love, in everything He does (had to learn this the hard way myself) revolves around His love for us. He isn’t so narcissistic, that He needs it all to Himself….lol. Jesus said we are to only fulfill 2 commandments….LOVE the Lord your God with all your Heart, Soul and Mind and OTHERS as yourself’…But then you have those churches on the other extreme…I call them “BARNEY CHURCHES’…you know, “I Love You, You Love Me, We’re A Happy Family”….again another dysfunctional family….where there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY, nor the importance of being a good ambassador and witness of Christ. They are often just as selfish as the other extreme, especially in their pleasures and relying too much on GRACE…neither is good, for neither reflex’s GOD’S TRUE NATURE OF WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE DESIRES for His church. He wants a church/bride who LOVES Him, because He first LOVED them and because of that LOVE, they are obedient to their Fathers will and out of that LOVING obedience produce good works and in producing “good” works through Christ, they are bringing others to Him, thus fulfilling the “Great Commission”…Matt 28….that is what it is all about….and personally I do not see EITHER EXTREME DOING A VERY EFFECTIVE JOB of producing Healthy Sheep than the Authoritative or Authoritarian parent does raising loving, respectful, responsible, accountable, hard working, humanitarians for this world. Of course as in anything you will have your exceptions…I’m not into exceptions..I’m more into a sure thing.

EXTREME JUSTICE SYSTEM….Oh boy, do I know this one. If I had my way it wouldn’t be so black and white. I think applying more of the “SPIRIT of the law” to those who deserve it…do the circumstances and history show what kind of person they really are, let’s say someone shows true remorse, let’s see if they can be rehabilitated? Showing a humane side of the justice system I would think would reap better results, plus it could help the REHABILITATION PROCESS along much quicker. This person can now be put back into society for the benefit of it…but, if ones spirit is broken it is of NO use. Now for the one who is defiant, and who is obviously guilty and they show NO remorse and actually mock the system, punishment that FITS the crime should be carried out and swiftly! It’s all about what is the best for that person, but more importantly what is best for SOCIETY!...Our Government, is no longer about balancing the two extremes together, it too is much like all the other organizations. That is probably why I am a moderate or libertarian type….BEI feel neither side has it quit right…Probably the RIGHT more than the left, that is for. So I am sure each side can learn from the other. Ok that is all I want write on this subject….thanks for listening.
 

Yeshua1

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So all those Baptist who overindulge in food every Sunday after Church are not saved?

What about the Christians with strongholds in their lives? are they unsaved too?

This sounds like man's subjective attempt to decide who is saved and who isn't?

What constitutes practicing of sin? The parable of the unforgiving servant says




Jesus didn't correct him and say "he is not your brother" but rather confirmed that he was his brother by telling him to forgive him 70 x 7.

Is 70 x 7 offenses against your brother considered practice?

Think the question is IF a homosexual person, male or female, claims to be a Chrsitian, yet keeps on living in sin as before, one should really question that claim to being saved, for IF a Chrsitian, the HS in them would be screaming to the heavens to repent and forsake that lifestyle!

to me, 3 choices on this:

Person saved, redeemed out from that lifestyle, to glory of god!
saved, still struggling/tempted, perhaps even sinning at times, but do know that its wrong and earnestly seeking to be set free
Claims to be saved, no regrent/remorse/repenting over lifestyle, business as usual!
 

Don

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They are accurate because they have a solid foundation!

problem is most people do not get is that God is a BALANCED GOD...He is Holy, Righteous and Just....yet at the same time Loving, Merciful and Kind...so is His word and so shall we be.

Any time one goes to extremes with God's word he will be in ERROR. God cannot contradict His own nature so all things need to weighed against WHO HE IS.

I was very blessed and fortunate to be placed into a SOUND BALANCED church after I got saved...I spent a few months in Woodstock NY (where I got saved) and went to a Pentecost church and KNEW most of what they taught was WRONG...the Spirit IN me told me so. So once I came back to Ca...I was sent to (through a friend) to a Fundamental Independent Baptist Church...(glad I came when he got the word right)....the pastor use to be KJ only, DRESSES ONLY, Bob Jones, type church, very legalistic till he learned the BIBLE DOESN'T teach much of what he thought it did....so he RIGHTLY DIVIDED God's word and taught balance and truth and love!...he would go through the book of Romans and Rev for like 4 to 5 years....dissecting it inductively...he majored 6 years hermeneutics and Greek...he was so awesome over 70 pastors came to his funeral and he never had a church split of 38 years nor were there hardly any problems in the church because of sound doctrine and they lived what they preached...even having me as a pregnant single mom in there home.

When I got married my husband also believed all the same things I did and he went to a Swedish Baptist church and learned the same things...

Point being over 20 years later I come upon www.gotquestions.org like 4 years ago and when ever I look ANYTHING UP it always agrees with what I had juts said on a forum....
So anything, any subject, that disagrees with gotquestions, must be wrong?
so I must be on the right track baby...:)
Ma'am, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't call me "baby" or other such terms. Has nothing to do with biblical or legalistic issues, although one could make an argument for it; has to do with, I'm happily married, and my wife doesn't appreciate unknown women referring to me by pet names. I respect her enough that I don't allow it. Thanks.
 
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