How should christians treat the saved homosexual?

[Matt22:37-39]

:applause: And that's what Jesus expects of us. But this turning and treating these people like they are modern day lepers just because we disagree with them "flaunting" their sin is straight wickedness coming from the Church. Yet once again, we think our actions are Godly.

God help us that He never treated us the way that we treat others now that we are saved.

AMEN!...Zaac I guess we and a few others can be glad God has revealed to us the truth of how to treat others...are we perfect at it no, but better than most I am sure....keep up the good work no matter the opposition..."FOR GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN ME THAN HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD"

 

[Matt22:37-39]

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I see where many are having a problem, me included. Believe me I might agree with you more than you think, but it is the ABSOLUTES that you make, for we do not know mans heart only God does and it is only for God to judge and do His work the way He wants, in His time, like He does each one of us. I have a hard time when a person makes a blanket statement or says they KNOW for sure what CONDITION another person is in. Or their eternal destination without knowing all the facts that ONLY God knows.

I am seeing this is where I am having a problem. yes I know what the bible says, I also know that not everyone who claims to be born again is...therefore if they are living in habitual sin they probably are not saved...but the question then becomes..."does this person feel bad about what they are doing, if nothing else do they realize in God's eyes it is wrong?" if so then this person is probably saved, if not and like many have said, they are proud in their SIN CONDITION and see no need to change then yes they are not probably are not of God...but I don't really know for sure...either way they need be drawn to God the way Jesus would do it...you know..."What Would Jesus Do?"...He wouldn't do what I have seen in some churches among some "Christians"...not at all, because I have seen the effects!

Another question I would have to consider is this...HOW LONG is God "All Suffering?"....He says He is...meaning His timing is not mine...he has His way of drawing His wayward children back to himself, I know He has me....my own experience has taught me this fact in the last 6 years when a pastor hit on me and we were kicked out of church for "Gossiping"...jerk, so I've been struggling ever since, with much demonic oppression, mainly coming from those who claim to know God... then the divorce...and then more trials and temptations, to where I JUST WANTED TO BE HAPPY, it wasn't to be found among believers, I eventually turned from God and did my own thing for 4 years....and He has mercifully, yet through many hardships, cause me each time to look to Him much like Job did and ask many question of WHY? I'd try to come back many times only to have another "ATTACK" and believe me they are still not over, although I know have peace about my circumstances.....I'm heading towards the 100 God mark on the scale...slowly but surely.

Anyway I came back in June and God has been doing a wonderful work in me that I NOW see a future of HOPE and not HARM...Jer 9:11

So again all I know is what WORKED for me would work for anyone, even the homosexual. And that is what has told me to SHARE....

So maybe we are saying the same thing yet in different ways?

 

[Don]

SORRY BUT WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW (old testament) WE ARE UNDER GRACE!...There is NO longer condemnation for those who are IN Christ Jesus!

Grace does not give us license to sin; nor does it give us license to ignore sin.

 

[Zaac]

Grace does not give us license to sin; nor does it give us license to ignore sin.

So why have we always taken license to call some things an abomination in order to make a point but not others? Are we ignoring the other sin because it's OURS?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

wow, why can't you just accept people for being CREATED by God in His image...why do you label them?..I play lots of sports so I am around many lesbians...and I have never once called them out on their sin...now if they want to know how to have the FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT that I have I will share or if the conversation comes up...or anything about God I will share....but I also NEVER PUSH or start condemning anyone when I witness to them...sin is sin and Jesus came and died to change ALL of their condition, not just the homosexual part....seriously?

Which is worse?....STEALING a dollar bill or a hundred dollar bill?

Neither they are both sin cause it is the fact that you stole....That is how God see's it...He doesn't put people in categories like you do...He died for everyone's sin no matter what it is....so stop labeling and love and accept people juts because they are people...who need a savior...and it AINT YOU!

God did not create homosexuals. Man chose to be homosexual due to his sin nature.

Don't put it off on God making it look like it is His fault that someone is a homosexual. They are homosexuals because they did not want to retain God in their knowledge so God gave them over to their lusts.

If they don't want to be labeled as homosexuals, they should have thought of that before they came out of the closets. But even then, even if they had not come out of the closet, they are still homosexuals because that is what the Word of God reveals them to be. God's Word has labeled them for what they are and there is nothing you can do about that except to pray that God will convince them that He will punish the homosexual not just for committing the physical act, but also because their desire is to be with someone of the same gender as themselves.

A man looks at a woman to lust after her, he is guilty of adultery.
A man looks at a man to lust after him, he is guilty of sodomy.

 

[Amy.G]

So why have we always taken license to call some things an abomination in order to make a point but not others? Are we ignoring the other sin because it's OURS?

I've been following this thread and I don't see where anyone ignored other sins. The OP is about homosexuals. That's why that particular sin is being focused on. If you'd like, start a thread on lying or stealing and we will gladly post about those sins too.

 

[Matt22:37-39]

YEP, I guess he didn't make the hermaphrodite either, or the transgender whose brain doesn't match their body, or the person with no arms or legs, who ends up bi polar, schizophrenic, or any physical mess up that happens because we live in a fallen world....many claim to have always been attracted to the same sex never, never once the opposite, the yo have many up and down the scale, usually women...many people have NO SEXUAL desires for anyone, they are called ASEXUAL S...Michael Jackson comes to mind.

Point being there are many reasons including genetics, whether you believe it or not doesn't make it less true....

So think about that

 

[Zaac]

I've been following this thread and I don't see where anyone ignored other sins. The OP is about homosexuals. That's why that particular sin is being focused on. If you'd like, start a thread on lying or stealing and we will gladly post about those sins too.

I mean in general . That big old list of things that are called an abomination and not once not ever have I ever heard or read of Christians referring to anything but homosexuality as an abomination.

Perhaps you can shed some light on this oddity?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

A person is not a homosexual because of genetics. They are that way because of a wicked and deceitful heart.

 

[Yeshua1]

Of course they are. When you feel like the world is coming at you sideways, you respond in kind.

But the Body of Christ should not be responding that way. When we start saying abomination, they think one image:

EVEn WORSE though is when the church decides to, in a spirit odf 'tolerance and acceptance", teach the active Homosexual that God loves you, does not judge your behaviour, that he created you and condones your practice, just make sure you live in a commited relationship!

THAt message is straight from the pit of hell!

 

[Amy.G]

I mean in general . That big old list of things that are called an abomination and not once not ever have I ever heard or read of Christians referring to anything but homosexuality as an abomination.

Perhaps you can shed some light on this oddity?

I don't know of this problem in my church or Christian circles. I and those I know consider adultery, theft, or any other perversion just as much of an abomination as any other sin. I don't pick on just homosexuals. But I don't defend it either.

 

[Zaac]

EVEn WORSE though is when the church decides to, in a spirit odf 'tolerance and acceptance", teach the active Homosexual that God loves you, does not judge your behaviour, that he created you and condones your practice, just make sure you live in a commited relationship!

THAt message is straight from the pit of hell!

With the exception of God loving them, I too believe that to do so is equally wrong.

 

[Yeshua1]

With the exception of God loving them, I too believe that to do so is equally wrong.

that was a misstaement, as I DO hold to God loving Homosexuals , its just that many times in todays climate, churches use that to bring the other junk in under umbrella of "God loves you so much!"

 

[Zaac]

I don't know of this problem in my church or Christian circles. I and those I know consider adultery, theft, or any other perversion just as much of an abomination as any other sin. I don't pick on just homosexuals. But I don't defend it either.

Do you refer to adultery, theft or any other perversion as an abomination is my point? It appears that when we want to emphasize just how bad a sin homosexuals are committed, we refer to it as an abomination. Why not do the same with the rest of the abominations?

 

[Don]

So why have we always taken license to call some things an abomination in order to make a point but not others?

I haven't. I tell unrepentent murderers, fornicators, adulterers, gluttons, liars, thieves, et al that they're sinning and God hates what they're doing.

Are we ignoring the other sin because it's OURS?

No.

 

[Zaac]

that was a misstaement, as I DO hold to God loving Homosexuals , its just that many times in todays climate, churches use that to bring the other junk in under umbrella of "God loves you so much!"

I thought that's what you meant.:1_grouphug: but I didn't want to presume.:laugh:

That's another one that kills me is that some churches will use god loves you to give folks a pass at committing all sorts of wickedness.

 

[Amy.G]

Do you refer to adultery, theft or any other perversion as an abomination is my point? It appears that when we want to emphasize just how bad a sin homosexuals are committed, we refer to it as an abomination. Why not do the same with the rest of the abominations?

I do. Adultery and divorce are some of the worst sins if you ask me. I know from experience. :tear:

 

[Yeshua1]

I do. Adultery and divorce are some of the worst sins if you ask me. I know from experience. :tear:

But Homosexuality seems to be the only sin that has Churches celebrating thier tolerance and acceptance of a lnown to be sin lifestyle!

When has your church told murders/raptists/liers/thieves/adulteryers/fornicators that its ok, God understands and thinks you are just doing what he created you to do!

 

[Amy.G]

But Homosexuality seems to be the only sin that has Churches celebrating thier tolerance and acceptance of a lnown to be sin lifestyle!

When has your church told murders/raptists/liers/thieves/adulteryers/fornicators that its ok, God understands and thinks you are just doing what he created you to do!

NEVER! And we don't tell gays that either!

 

[12strings]

For the most part, what you just said in no way contradicts what I said. Except for God condemning the act of homosexuality. Scripturally, where does God condemn homosexuality as an act? Everything mentioned is in direct relation to the sexual acts or the homosexuals themselves and not homosexuality. The same is true of heterosexuality. He condemns sexual acts of heterosexuality and the heterosexual not the orientations.

Could you clarify what you are saying, and what difference it makes...

Are you saying God condemns homosexual acts, and homosexuals, but not homosexuality itself? I don't really follow the distinction you are trying to make.

Further, it is obvious God would not condemn a heterosexual orientation because that is what he created. Adultery, incest, peodphelia, beastiality, and homosexual acts are all distortions of God's design. NONE of those would exist, even as orientations/desires, if there were no sin...but heterosexual desire for one's spouse WOULD exist.