How should christians treat the saved homosexual?

[Matt22:37-39]

I see where many are having a problem, me included. Believe me I might agree with you more than you think, but it is the ABSOLUTES that you make, for we do not know mans heart only God does and it is only for God to judge and do His work the way He wants, in His time, like He does each one of us. I have a hard time when a person makes a blanket statement or says they KNOW for sure what CONDITION another person is in. Or their eternal destination without knowing all the facts that ONLY God knows.

I am seeing this is where I am having a problem. yes I know what the bible says, I also know that not everyone who claims to be born again is...therefore if they are living in habitual sin they probably are not saved...but the question then becomes..."does this person feel bad about what they are doing, if nothing else do they realize in God's eyes it is wrong?" if so then this person is probably saved, if not and like many have said, they are proud in their SIN CONDITION and see no need to change then yes they are not probably are not of God...but I don't really know for sure...either way they need be drawn to God the way Jesus would do it...you know..."What Would Jesus Do?"...He wouldn't do what I have seen in some churches among some "Christians"...not at all, because I have seen the effects!

Another question I would have to consider is this...HOW LONG is God "All Suffering?"....He says He is...meaning His timing is not mine...he has His way of drawing His wayward children back to himself, I know He has me....my own experience has taught me this fact in the last 6 years when a pastor hit on me and we were kicked out of church for "Gossiping"...jerk, so I've been struggling ever since, with much demonic oppression, mainly coming from those who claim to know God... then the divorce...and then more trials and temptations, to where I JUST WANTED TO BE HAPPY, it wasn't to be found among believers, I eventually turned from God and did my own thing for 4 years....and He has mercifully, yet through many hardships, cause me each time to look to Him much like Job did and ask many question of WHY? I'd try to come back many times only to have another "ATTACK" and believe me they are still not over, although I know have peace about my circumstances.....I'm heading towards the 100 God mark on the scale...slowly but surely.

Anyway I came back in June and God has been doing a wonderful work in me that I NOW see a future of HOPE and not HARM...Jer 9:11

So again all I know is what WORKED for me would work for anyone, even the homosexual. And that is what has told me to SHARE....

So maybe we are saying the same thing yet in different ways?

 

[12strings]

Why should they listen to us...they are of the world and unless Jesus changes their hearts, why should YOU or anyone else expect them to act godly?

People change from the inside out and it isn't for you to worry about peoples sin in a DARK WORLD...it is our job to BE LIGHT, we are to let our light shine so that they may want what we have and be drawn to the LIGHT/JESUS....I doubt most sinners in the world really want what we have when we/others act the way we do...get it?

Satan was giving dominion over this earth...our citizenship is in heaven not here...so all we do should be foced on that and bringing others to a new world that is much better
No where in the bible did Jesus get all political and demand any community he was in to "CHANGE" or else...if you can find it please show me.

I'm not sure who you are arguing against here...you seem to be assuming a lot...I'm simply saying that sinners always try to justify their sin...It's been happening for thousands of years; mass media just gives them a new outlet for doing so, no matter what the sin.

I don't expect unbelievers to do anything other than sin.

 

[12strings]

wow, why can't you just accept people for being CREATED by God in His image...why do you label them?

Did you even read what she wrote? She is accepting people into her home in love, but because she loves them, she is going to tell the coke user that what they are doing is not OK. That's love. "Faithful are the wounds of a friend."

She said nothing about labeling them, she spoke of addressing areas that needed change. If this is unbiblical, then ALL BIBLE PREACHING & TEACHING is unbiblical...because preachers regularly preach the parts of the bible that confront our sin. And It's not just for believers...God has always used the requirements of his law to both show people their need for a forgiving savior AND to show us how to live.

It would not be love for a church planter to start a church, and as the church grows, to NEVER EVER use scripture to show anyone any of their sin! We are to use scripture to counsel people, not just tell them, "Love Jesus, read your bible, you'll figure it out". If that were the case, What's the need for preaching & teaching and correction? Why is it emphasized so much in the NT?

 

[Matt22:37-39]

I'm not sure who you are arguing against here...you seem to be assuming a lot...I'm simply saying that sinners always try to justify their sin...It's been happening for thousands of years; mass media just gives them a new outlet for doing so, no matter what the sin.

I don't expect unbelievers to do anything other than sin.

Thank you, that is OUR point exactly...you my friend are NO different when YOU justify YOUR sin whatever that sin may be whether by COMMISSION or OMISSION....don't be a HYPOCRITE...stop judging others like you are better than they are...cause in God's eyes you are not!

That is my final answer Regis...go to go to town...bye.

 

[Matt22:37-39]

MY PRAYER FOR RD AND HIS DAUGHTER


I prayed to God not so much for his lesbian daughter to get saved because as of now there needs to be restoration first before she would even consider turning back to God...for what?...the same ol same ol?

No, my prayer is for RD and his family to ACCEPT their daughter and her partner just the way they are..."lepercy" and all...and through that LOVE and extended GRACE, she will see God's love and what what they have...and turn to God our of LOVE back, repenting and following Him.

That is my prayer for all actually...

 

[Yeshua1]

Could you clarify what you are saying, and what difference it makes...

Are you saying God condemns homosexual acts, and homosexuals, but not homosexuality itself? I don't really follow the distinction you are trying to make.

Further, it is obvious God would not condemn a heterosexual orientation because that is what he created. Adultery, incest, peodphelia, beastiality, and homosexual acts are all distortions of God's design. NONE of those would exist, even as orientations/desires, if there were no sin...but heterosexual desire for one's spouse WOULD exist.

good point! Homosexuality itself ONLY exists due to the fall, and this becoming a sin laden creation, for God original intent was always a man and a woman!

Imagine how THAT message would go over in churches that have legitimized and approved gay lifestyles as being 'Chrsitian", that we all should hve been 'straight!"

 

[mactx]

Personally I believe the church has dropped the ball on all sin. Deciding instead to go for the emotional stuff instead of the God says stuff.
Just because folks act like God is a big fluffy marshmallow does not mean he did not give us statues to live by.
Romans lists some, as do many other places.

IF a homosexual wants to be a Christian they MUST denounce that lifestyle. Why? Because God does and to be a Christian you must do your utmost to follow God. Which means refraining from all forms of sexual immorality, hatred, gossip, lying, drunkeness and so forth. if God says do not and you do, or if he says do and you do not, you sin.

Repentance is turning ones back on the sins you used to live with. If you truly repent, you walk away and stive never to commit those sins again.
You do not claim to be married and gay and continue living in that life. You do not divorce (other than for adultery) and remarry. You do not tattle on your brothers and sisters. Not even "for their own good".

This is not to say you be mean and nasty to those folks either. You treat them as you would strangers though, not close as you do brothers and sisters in Christ. If they claim to be in the church Paul says to avoid them and not even to eat with them so that they can feel the isolation of being out side the will of God.

When God speaks so plainly I do not understand why there is so much confusion.

 

[Yeshua1]

Personally I believe the church has dropped the ball on all sin. Deciding instead to go for the emotional stuff instead of the God says stuff.
Just because folks act like God is a big fluffy marshmallow does not mean he did not give us statues to live by.
Romans lists some, as do many other places.

IF a homosexual wants to be a Christian they MUST denounce that lifestyle. Why? Because God does and to be a Christian you must do your utmost to follow God. Which means refraining from all forms of sexual immorality, hatred, gossip, lying, drunkeness and so forth. if God says do not and you do, or if he says do and you do not, you sin.

Repentance is turning ones back on the sins you used to live with. If you truly repent, you walk away and stive never to commit those sins again.
You do not claim to be married and gay and continue living in that life. You do not divorce (other than for adultery) and remarry. You do not tattle on your brothers and sisters. Not even "for their own good".

This is not to say you be mean and nasty to those folks either. You treat them as you would strangers though, not close as you do brothers and sisters in Christ. If they claim to be in the church Paul says to avoid them and not even to eat with them so that they can feel the isolation of being out side the will of God.

When God speaks so plainly I do not understand why there is so much confusion.

Are you saying that you have mangaed to attain 'sinless perfection" state, as you have repented and completely forsoke the sin problem areas now?

 

[annsni]

wow, why can't you just accept people for being CREATED by God in His image...why do you label them?..I play lots of sports so I am around many lesbians...and I have never once called them out on their sin...now if they want to know how to have the FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT that I have I will share or if the conversation comes up...or anything about God I will share....but I also NEVER PUSH or start condemning anyone when I witness to them...sin is sin and Jesus came and died to change ALL of their condition, not just the homosexual part....seriously?

Which is worse?....STEALING a dollar bill or a hundred dollar bill?

Neither they are both sin cause it is the fact that you stole....That is how God see's it...He doesn't put people in categories like you do...He died for everyone's sin no matter what it is....so stop labeling and love and accept people juts because they are people...who need a savior...and it AINT YOU!

Where did I say that one is better or one is worse? You said that, not me. God puts people into two categories - sinner or saint. Yes, I'm not their savior but how are people going to know they even need a savior unless they hear the Gospel? You're comfortable not spreading the Gospel. That's OK. I'm not comfortable NOT spreading it. When I get to know people, they hear the Gospel. I don't want people going to hell because I chose to just "love" them and leave them alone. That's not love.

 

[mactx]

If I were to say that I would commit the sin of lying.
Do I fail? YES.
Do I purposely live a life God has condemned on the premise that he will save me anyway? NO.
Do I sin on purpose saying to myself it is ok as long as I ask forgiveness before death? NO.

As a Christian sin is something we should not commit on purpose or continually and once convicted of it we should strive to not commit to it again.

What good does it do a slave to be freed if they just turn around and sell themselves into slavery again? Why hurt the Lord who freed me knowingly? Isn't my love for him stronger than my desire for pleasure here on earth? If not then I am not truly saved to begin with.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Oh brother.


Right when I thoght we were getting somewhere...

THIS...

Originally Posted by mactx
Personally I believe the church has dropped the ball on all sin. Deciding instead to go for the emotional stuff instead of the God says stuff.
Just because folks act like God is a big fluffy marshmallow does not mean he did not give us statues to live by.
Romans lists some, as do many other places.

IF a homosexual wants to be a Christian they MUST denounce that lifestyle. Why? Because God does and to be a Christian you must do your utmost to follow God. Which means refraining from all forms of sexual immorality, hatred, gossip, lying, drunkeness and so forth. if God says do not and you do, or if he says do and you do not, you sin.

Repentance is turning ones back on the sins you used to live with. If you truly repent, you walk away and stive never to commit those sins again.
You do not claim to be married and gay and continue living in that life. You do not divorce (other than for adultery) and remarry. You do not tattle on your brothers and sisters. Not even "for their own good".

This is not to say you be mean and nasty to those folks either. You treat them as you would strangers though, not close as you do brothers and sisters in Christ. If they claim to be in the church Paul says to avoid them and not even to eat with them so that they can feel the isolation of being out side the will of God.

When God speaks so plainly I do not understand why there is so much confusion.

:tonofbricks:

 

[12strings]

Thank you, that is OUR point exactly...you my friend are NO different when YOU justify YOUR sin whatever that sin may be whether by COMMISSION or OMISSION....don't be a HYPOCRITE...stop judging others like you are better than they are...cause in God's eyes you are not!

1. I know that. Please show me where I am judging incorrectly.

2. If you think all judging is incorrect, Go read the thread entitled "Are we to judge" http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=85654.

3. If you still think all judging is incorrect, and that everyone else is judging from a high-horse in a way that you are not...why did you write this:

.Zaac I guess we and a few others can be glad God has revealed to us the truth of how to treat others...are we perfect at it no, but better than most I am sure....

 

[Yeshua1]

If I were to say that I would commit the sin of lying.
Do I fail? YES.
Do I purposely live a life God has condemned on the premise that he will save me anyway? NO.
Do I sin on purpose saying to myself it is ok as long as I ask forgiveness before death? NO.

As a Christian sin is something we should not commit on purpose or continually and once convicted of it we should strive to not commit to it again.

What good does it do a slave to be freed if they just turn around and sell themselves into slavery again? Why hurt the Lord who freed me knowingly? Isn't my love for him stronger than my desire for pleasure here on earth? If not then I am not truly saved to begin with.

Do you hol dthat we can a reach a state in our Christians walk where we no longer commit any known sins?

 

[annsni]

Do you hol dthat we can a reach a state in our Christians walk where we no longer commit any known sins?

I now for a fact that she doesn't. We're friends. I know her well.

What she's saying is that if a Christian embraces and celebrates sin, we have to question whether they are truly a child of God. A real child of God will still sin as long as we are on this earth but we will fight it, kick it, run from it and mourn when we do it. We will work against it as much as we can. We will be on our knees regularly to ask the Spirit to give us the strength and the power to overcome the sin.

Unfortunately, there are many churches out there that have become country clubs instead of Gospel teaching churches. They are all about "acceptance" rather than "Let's get to work to bring people to Christ and then work with them to walk with Him." It's a process whether you are the perfect little old lady who seems like she has nothing to repent of or you are the guy who just got out of jail for murder. First salvation then the process of sanctification.

:thumbs:

 

[Yeshua1]

I now for a fact that she doesn't. We're friends. I know her well.

What she's saying is that if a Christian embraces and celebrates sin, we have to question whether they are truly a child of God. A real child of God will still sin as long as we are on this earth but we will fight it, kick it, run from it and mourn when we do it. We will work against it as much as we can. We will be on our knees regularly to ask the Spirit to give us the strength and the power to overcome the sin.

Unfortunately, there are many churches out there that have become country clubs instead of Gospel teaching churches. They are all about "acceptance" rather than "Let's get to work to bring people to Christ and then work with them to walk with Him." It's a process whether you are the perfect little old lady who seems like she has nothing to repent of or you are the guy who just got out of jail for murder. First salvation then the process of sanctification.

:thumbs:

thanks!

Thought the poster was talking about if the person claims to be a Chrsitian, yet refuses to repent/change at all, thanks for the clarification!

 

[Matt22:37-39]

Where did I say that one is better or one is worse? You said that, not me. God puts people into two categories - sinner or saint. Yes, I'm not their savior but how are people going to know they even need a savior unless they hear the Gospel? You're comfortable not spreading the Gospel. That's OK. I'm not comfortable NOT spreading it. When I get to know people, they hear the Gospel. I don't want people going to hell because I chose to just "love" them and leave them alone. That's not love.

Oh I spread the gospel juts in the way you do it...and I bet I have better results...

 

[Matt22:37-39]

Hate to burst some of your guys bubble.

But I went to Starbucks today and ran into a friend from church...I mentioned to her about my writings on fb and the debate on a few forums about Gay and Christian and she told me her lesbian sister and her partner juts got saved this year, and the pastor knows they are together. The issue has been discussed and confronted, but you just can't KICK out 2 people who just got saved that are living together out of the church...I mean you can I guess, but what good what that do?....like anyone struggling with sin and they get saved, the church should be there to PREACH SOUND DOCTRINE and like I said let God and the Holy Spirit do the work. Like I've said if churches preach the whole counsel of God's word that alone weeds out sin...people will not want to be CONVICTED and leave, or they will get saved and draw closer to God...starts with the LEADERS and the working of the HS

That is their hope that by preaching God's word and treating them like others who claim to know God yet struggle with sin such as sex outside of marriage, divorcing unbiblically, drugs or alcohol, or pornography etc....the church is there to HEAL...not sure when and how they should be dealt with cause most lesbians who are older are mainly just roommates in reality...sex isn't that big of a deal as it is with the men.

I know I've talked to enough of them.

 

[annsni]

Oh I spread the gospel juts in the way you do it...and I bet I have better results...

LOL - Oh - so now it's a competition? Interesting.

 

[righteousdude2]

This Argument Has TURNED into Semantics...

the Lord will freely forgive and reddem the gay person, for its by grace we are saved, NOT our good works/nor behaviours, and some experience a total victory over those desires, most though still must deal with daily temptations of theflesh, same way straght folfs like me still have to deal with ole sin principle on a daily fashion!

its not they will not be gay acting again, but are they repentent, and know its sin?

...however, semantics is not the center of the issue; When GOD and the Word of God is involved, semantics must yield to His Word!

 

[Matt22:37-39]

hey I put a profile pic up why doesn't it show up by name?