How to defeat the ME heresy

Well if believers don't have to "prove" anything to anyone then why do you and others like you keep insisting that a saved person "has" to have works that follow their salvation? There's no Scriptural support for that.

But what you and others like you do is look at a person's works and determine whether or not they have ever been saved regardless of what their claims are. Is that or is that not true?

Or you at least question whether or not they have been saved. And I KNOW that is true, because you have questioned several people's salvation in this section of the board based on works! So are you not asking me to "prove" my salvation to you based on my works?

 

How many would you like?

Originally Posted by J.D.
Also, I think the key to understanding the whole of Hebrews is the overall context - the intended audience - which was PROFESSING jewish believers. By 'professing" I mean those that professed faith in Christ, including both pretenders and genuine believers.

The warnings are applicable to those professors that turn back to temple worship, and by their apostacy, reveal their true condition. They were "enlightened" etc etc by their visible association with the new covenant, the church, the Gospel. They were not to be "jewish" christians - they were to be just Christians; that is, they were not to participate in temple worship AND church worship. They could not be under both covenants - it was one or the other, make your choice, and your choice will reveal where your heart is. Choose the temple, and you will perish with it.

Here is Amy's post agree with him. "I was going to post, but you stole my words!"

But I'm sure that won't be good enough for you either.

Then why would you question my salvation? I have always said that I believe in the Substitutionary death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, Who died and shed His blood on my behalf because I was a sinner incapable of acting in a way to save myself.

Is that not a statement of someone that possesses everlasting life?

Again on what basis would you even begin to challenge my salvation?

 

James, ME-ers,

Your answer is correct. Those who don't let Christ work through them go through HELL ON EARTH. For disobedience Christians TODAY is hell! Dr Rogers used to say there is no one as sad as a carnal Christian!

And those believers who happen to be disobedient in the MK/1000 year reign of Christ on earth, they will receive the punishment they deserve then!

In fact, I like to cite Rom 5:10 in this regard. Saved from hell in eternity by His death -- save from hell on earth by His life!

There is NO hell/pit or any such thing for believers.

skypair

 

What you are "understanding" is the difference between "saved by His death" and "saved by His life," James. The SOUL is saved forever by His death -- your SPIRIT is saved daily by living His life.

What are the consequences of NOT living His life? Hell on earth -- not hereafter. How many Christians do you know that are in "living hell" for their disobedience? Have you seen it? Living the "I was a great high school quarterback" 20 years later! "Those were the 'good ole days!'" GET OVER IT! (my Christian nephew) Where's Jesus in your life??? Memories and marajuana won't sustain a wife and 2 kids, dude!

skypair

 

I would agree with you, except I can't find any scripture to back it up.

 

Please guys...

Christ said, "Forgive them for they know not what they do." That is clearly the situation here, right? James has been very forthcoming and his points regarding works are well-taken -- but if they were in the proper perspective.

skypair

 

I guess James (and myself) are idiots for thinking that it meant "If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there."

 

Talk about a stinking straw man. My My My.

 

Excellent sermon, npetreley!!

Whoa! Did I just say that?? YES! :applause:

skypair

 

Certainly! There is a church full of believers! I don't teach the heresy that you teach!

There, now I see why you only use vituperation and no Scriptures. It's so much easier to pound the virtual podium and shout, instead of having to study and think and form a well-reasoned response.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

 

You have not addressed my Hebrews question to demonstrate from the book your definition of "save soul," which you say means to rule and reign with Christ.

 

Umm... Mind showing me where any of us said that we aren't chastized in this life?

Sometimes, we even suffer for the actions of others.

Last I checked, bastards are also children of the father.

 

First thing, it is not legal to question ones salvation on this board . Do it again and I will turn you in myself.

Next You know it gets a little old you calvinist pack up like a group of coyotes on one guy and demmand they answer each of your personal questions and then riducule them if they can't keep up with five or six of you at a time. This is what I call a real sense of real christian fair play.

Now that I've vented, what is an ME?:godisgood:

 

ME stands for Millenial Exclusion, which really is an opponents derogatory way of referring to those of us that believe in and preach the gospel of the kingdom.

The gospel of the kingdom is the good news for those that are spiritually alive in Christ, that they can rule and reign with the King of kings and the Lord of lords in His coming kingdom if they will believe and live a life of obedience, faithfulness and overcoming (Satan, the flesh and the world).

While that is a very basic definition I hope that helps.

 

Let's be fair here, this does not just happen by "Calvinists" around here.

I don't follow you here, how is shortening a name to initials derogatory?

 

That's not the part that's intened to be derogatory.

It would be like calling a Christian who preaches against sodomy a "human hater" and shortening it to "HH".

It's mostly done by those who are devoid of any ability to use Scripture, so they simply stoop to name-calling, questioning the salvation of other brothers, etc.

However, it doesn't bother me, so I'll use it. (FWIW, the name of our former company before we moved was "Spic and Mick" based on the fact that my wife is from Puerto Rico and my family is pretty much as Irish as they come. I don't care much for PC, so "ME" it is!)

 

I posted three pages on it about two weeks ago, and you didn't like it then. Why would it be different this time?