I hold to these points of Calvinism (by the number of)

[Alan Gross]

The elect. The children whom God adopted as His own. These are the inheritors of the Covenant Will. These are they whose names are written down and read off to receive the inheritance as sons and daughters. Are you unaware of this truth?

(Part of) What we call, "The TRUTH":

THE ACTS AND WORKS OF GOD

Chapter 1: Of the Internal Acts of God,
and of his Decrees in general
Chapter 2: Of the Special Decrees of God,
particularly of Election
Chapter 3: Of the Rejection of some Angels and some Men
Chapter 4: Of the Union of the Elect to God
Chapter 5: Of Adoption as an Immanent Act

• Of Justification as an Immanent Act

Chapter 6: Of the Everlasting Council
Chapter 7: Of the Everlasting Covenant of Grace
Chapter 8: Of the Part the Father took in the Covenant
Chapter 9: Of the Part the Son of God took in the Covenant
Chapter 10: Of Christ as the Covenant Head of the Elect
Chapter 11: Of Christ the Surety of the Covenant
Chapter 12: Of the Love of God
Chapter 13: Of Christ the Testator of the Covenant
Chapter 14: Of the Concern the Spirit has in the Covenant
Chapter 15: Of the Properties of the Covenant
Chapter 16: Of the Complacency and Delight the Divine
Persons had in Each Other From Everlasting

 

[AustinC]

Your forcing your theology into the bible text again Austin. That is why you have such a hard time trusting what the bible actually says.

Not at all. I'm reading what God says and taking His word for it.
*Ephesians 2:4-5*
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Sliverhair, you have such a hard time trusting what the Bible actually says...

 

[AustinC]

In the Last Will and Testament of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Believers are the beneficiaries of His will; Unbelievers do not benefit.

Simple enough a child can understand it.

Were you a believer when Jesus wrote your name down in His Will? He died 2000 years ago.

Either you were chosen and elect, like Jeremiah, or you are not written in the Will.

 

[Brightfame52]

In the Last Will and Testament of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Believers are the beneficiaries of His will; Unbelievers do not benefit.

Simple enough a child can understand it.

They believe because they were the beneficiaries. Believing is one of the benefits of the testament.

 

[Silverhair]

God saves sinners and makes them believers. If you believed that, you would be done with your folly, but alas you still cling to folly.

Funny how the bible disagrees with your view. But it is sad that you will not trust what the bible says. God saves those that believe in His son .

 

[Silverhair]

They believe because they were the beneficiaries. Believing is one of the benefits of the testament.

Hear the gospel believe the gospel God saves, that is the order the bible has. You should trust the bible.

 

[Silverhair]

Not at all. I'm reading what God says and taking His word for it.
*Ephesians 2:4-5*
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Sliverhair, you have such a hard time trusting what the Bible actually says...

Austin you keep missing the main point, God saves by His grace because we believe the gospel. You know the one that is the power of God Romans 1:16 the one we hear and believe and are saved Ephesians 1:13. God saves by His grace but only those that trust in Him will be saved. You have God saving those that do not even trust in Him, that is just your misreading of the text.

 

[Silverhair]

Were you a believer when Jesus wrote your name down in His Will? He died 2000 years ago.

Either you were chosen and elect, like Jeremiah, or you are not written in the Will.

Were you a believer when Jesus wrote your name down in His Will? He died 2000 years ago.

Either you were chosen and elect, like Jeremiah, or you are not written in the Will.

Actually no ones name has to be written into a will. All that has to be there are the conditions that must be met for someone to benefit from the proceeds of the estate. In this case one must be a child of God and that happens when you trust in His son. John 1:12; Romans 8:16

 

[AustinC]

Actually no ones name has to be written into a will. All that has to be there are the conditions that must be met for someone to benefit from the proceeds of the estate. In this case one must be a child of God and that happens when you trust in His son. John 1:12; Romans 8:16

Conditions?
This implies you think a work must be done in order for someone to meet the conditions. Therefore your view would be grace less. Which indeed...it is. Yet, you cannot conceive of your gospel of works being contrary to God's gospel of grace.
Indeed your is a different gospel. I will leave it at that.

 

[AustinC]

God saves by His grace because we believe the gospel.

I don't miss your point. I contend against because it is grace less.
If there is a "because I did something first" then there is no grace from God. There is only God's approval that you followed His law to merit your reward.
Indeed, that is the core of your so-called gospel against which I boldly fight back and proclaim to not be a gospel at all, but like the Apostle Paul declare "anathema" since it is a perverted twist of the Judaizers teaching.

 

[Silverhair]

Conditions?
This implies you think a work must be done in order for someone to meet the conditions. Therefore your view would be grace less. Which indeed...it is. Yet, you cannot conceive of your gospel of works being contrary to God's gospel of grace.
Indeed your is a different gospel. I will leave it at that.

Austin the fact that you deny scripture is a clear condemnation of your view. Romans 1:16 what the gospel is for. Ephesians 1:13 tells us why we should pay heed to it. If the Holy Spirit/God tells us that we need to hear and believe the gospel those are conditions or do you not understand the concept of condition. I know it is hard for you to admit that you have been preaching the wrong view but it is best if you will just accept the truth of the bible.
Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."

These are conditions that God has made, Hear, Believe, Call. If God says we have to trust in His son to be saved then that is just the way it is.

 

[AustinC]

Austin the fact that you deny scripture is a clear condemnation of your view. Romans 1:16 what the gospel is for. Ephesians 1:13 tells us why we should pay heed to it. If the Holy Spirit/God tells us that we need to hear and believe the gospel those are conditions or do you not understand the concept of condition. I know it is hard for you to admit that you have been preaching the wrong view but it is best if you will just accept the truth of the bible.
Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."

These are conditions that God has made, Hear, Believe, Call. If God says we have to trust in His son to be saved then that is just the way it is.

The fact that you imagine I deny scripture is understood. You are wrong and cannot admit it no matter how much scripture is placed in front of you.
Who is it who calls in the Lord?
The one whom God has made alive, chosen and elected.

Why do you hate God's Supremacy, Sliverhair?

Your teaching is law, law, law with no grace.

 

[Brightfame52]

Hear the gospel believe the gospel God saves, that is the order the bible has. You should trust the bible.

Hearing as well as believing are benefits of the Testament, covenant.

 

[Brightfame52]

Funny how the bible disagrees with your view. But it is sad that you will not trust what the bible says. God saves those that believe in His son .

Those Christ died for will believe on Christ, God gives them to believe on behalf of Christ Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake

Believing in Christ is one of the fringe benefits of Christ having died for one..

So if one never believes in Christ, thats an indication He didnt die for them

 

[Silverhair]

Hearing as well as believing are benefits of the Testament, covenant.

So your saying one has to be saved before they can hear and believe, not biblical but it is a calvinist view.

 

[Silverhair]

Those Christ died for will believe on Christ, God gives them to believe on behalf of Christ Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake

Believing in Christ is one of the fringe benefits of Christ having died for one..

So if one never believes in Christ, thats an indication He didnt die for them

BF you are proof texting again. Why do you not look at the context. Paul is writing to those that already believe in Christ Jesus. Read Philippians 1:27-30 and learn something.

You keep saying Christ did not die for those that reject Him. The bible disagrees but that does not seem to matter to you.
Rom 5:6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Notice who Christ died for, ungodly sinners who were enemies of God. So by your logic since Christ did not die for the unbelievers that would mean they were never ungodly sinners who were enemies of God. Also following your logical trail that would mean they did not need Christ to die for them as they were never ungodly sinners who were enemies of God.

But since we know that He did die for ungodly sinners who were enemies of God your view is wrong. Romans 5:10 Paul is even more strident in his comment here 2Co_5:20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.

 

[MrW]

Salvation IS conditional. He who believes will be saved. He that believes not is condemned already.

God saves believers, not unbelievers. Salvation is conditional.

Silverhair is giving you all truth!

 

[DaveXR650]

Specifically, faith is conditional. Those who have faith will be saved and those that do not have faith will not be saved. So said Jonathan Edwards and John Owen. What is not true is that God has done all he can and now He has to wait and see what we decide and it all depends on us. Adhering to the TULIP does not mean you cannot believe faith is a condition.

 

[Brightfame52]

So your saying one has to be saved before they can hear and believe, not biblical but it is a calvinist view.

Yes one must be saved before they can hear spiritually and believe spiritually.

 

[Silverhair]

Specifically, faith is conditional. Those who have faith will be saved and those that do not have faith will not be saved. So said Jonathan Edwards and John Owen. What is not true is that God has done all he can and now He has to wait and see what we decide and it all depends on us. Adhering to the TULIP does not mean you cannot believe faith is a condition.

Dave if you hold to the TULIP then your faith is irrelevant. Those that are included in the Unconditional Election will partake of the Limited Atonement and will be drawn to God by His Irresistible Grace. Calvinists have the person saved before God even gives them faith so as to believe in Christ Jesus. How many times have you heard or said that calvinists were "elect before the foundation of the world" so were they ever in danger of being lost? Not according to their theology.